Comments on: Criminal anarchy on America’s doorstep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Benny_Acosta http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-27876 Fri, 04 Dec 2009 16:00:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-27876 legalizing drugs removes one of many serious problems and opens markets in counseling, rehabilitation,and even education in responsible use of those drugs that have had a sacred place in various human cultures across the world.

Will there still be crime? Of course! But it is human nature to desire an altered state of consciousness. That’s why people smoke and drink, etc.. And lets not forget that it is actually prescription drug abuse, and not street drugs which represent the greatest harm because they are abused the most.

People who fall into addiction do so because of a lack of understanding and also because of feelings of hopelessness and desperation. These things are not crimes. They are the result of how we live and deal with each other.

Bringing the drug trade into the open and educating people to “use responsibly”, just like we educate people to “drink responsibly”, will go a long way towards solving many of the problems that drug abuse brings.

People don’t like it when government tells them what they can and cannot take into their own bodies.

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By: ANON http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-25064 Mon, 05 Oct 2009 14:07:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-25064 …very funny Mufaso, please include sub-equatorial Africa too, I mean it ! Then we can fight Nigeria together !

Signed:

Scar

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By: Phubaiguy http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-25046 Sun, 04 Oct 2009 16:02:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-25046 First I would like to point out drugs are not political so it’s not a certain party. Secondly there is no such thing as a little tax that lasts long.
Back off the little guys that are draining the system and concentrate on the big ones both out in the mountains and here in the capitals (everywhere).
Don’t empty your Thompson on that 29 Ford racing away then proudly pose for the pictures. Let it make it’s delivery, and follow it back to the still.

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By: Mufaso http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-25008 Sat, 03 Oct 2009 00:23:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-25008 Why not invade Mexico and make it a state?

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By: Sergey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-24995 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 16:09:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-24995 Hello Michael,
I realize that drugs here to stay. Police, army and any other gov force can achieve only temporary results like arrest all dealers. Law enforcement is expensive and tend to become corrupted over time. On long run gangs will always a step ahead from law enforcement.

The long term results require social engineering. That means providing jobs, safe affordable housing, and education. It also implies a lot of gov intervention even in more inefficient way – social services. Look at New Ark NJ. Fed/State flooded city with money with no effect.

Now we come to utopia.
Strong Assumption: Most people in drug infected areas like to break free but trap in poverty cycle.

In some countries desperate communities do self policing against gangs. In US it may sound like private community where members can expel others for drugs while gov provide them with social net like: protect from gangs retaliation, jobs/schooling.

Yep. Sound naive.

Drugs and alcohol are social. They help individual to bridge the gap between where he/she sees itself in dreams and ugly reality. The only way to address the issue is make life easy for average person. Neither legal drugs and taxation nor brutal police force address the real issue behind drugs.

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-24990 Fri, 02 Oct 2009 13:28:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-24990 Sergey,

If you’re looking to stop drugs than you might as well give up completely. Unless you’re willing to give the government round the clock power to go into every house in America whenever they want and the power to seize anything they want than it’s impossible. I saw a guy growing a marijuana plant in his closet where no sun ever hit it, you going to search every closet in America? You going to search every person’s pocket?

I said in my last post i wanted a small tax, a small tax would not put a huge cost between production and price, captial markets fix that. There will always be incentive to buy legal, price, convenience, legality etc.

No I don’t consider 21 million a lot, however like i said before that could be easily fixed with a cigarette tax reduction. The black market for moonshine would mostly be killed too if people weren’t so avid about shoving Christianity down everyone’s throat and making alcohol illegal to sell in many places on sundays.

You’re 100% wrong on my background, the best thing to do is ask rather than guess. I grew up in the Northern Lights section of Columbus Ohio, not exactly the Bronx but certainly an urban area. I saw every day how much the people hated the police and government, I did (and do) also.

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By: Sergey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-24936 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 15:37:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-24936 Hey Michael,
It is not about how to tax drugs.
It is not about how to drive drugs from black market to open market. It is about how to STOP drugs.
Blacks are devastated by drugs. 2/3 of blacks in jails are on drug charges. ‘Rust belt’ hooking on drugs essentially the same story in making. You dream about control by taxation would not work for:
1. There is huge gap between cost and price. Your taxation would not work. Your tax is essentially my black profit. Temptation is way too big.

2. Big % of drug uses quickly slip outside of society. They loose any intensive to pay extra for ‘legal drugs’.

3. Introduction of ‘legal drugs’ makes legal starting point for n.2.

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You claimed:
“The black market for tobacco isn’t a big deal or a large market”
Last month NYPD single case netted $21,000,000. Is it small?
That exactly what comes with prohibiting taxation. It actually fuels black market instead of killing it.

Again you talk like urban folk who saw some of recreational drugs and police harassing kids over pot. Unfortunately your country is much more bigger and socially diversed. It is about no-go areas in LAX, NYC and New Ark etc where even ‘good’ kids forced do drugs or he/she well be REALLY harassed by gangs.
It is about ‘ghost towns’ in CA and ‘Rust belt’.
I don’t see how your taxation will change drug dealing in these areas.
I see nice urban kids will pay extra $$ for ‘legal drugs’ to avoid trouble. What about real problem areas.

I am immigrant and looks like I saw more places in US than you did :).

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By: SirTennyson http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-24926 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 13:09:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-24926 It’s why we need a fence.

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By: robert1234 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-24901 Thu, 01 Oct 2009 04:54:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-24901 We all know what the solution is: legalize the drugs. With the drugs legal, the profit drops out of the gangs and they can no longer afford to maintain their actions. The corrupt cops, as in Chicago at the end of prohibition, will kill the gangs off to protect themselves from blackmail, etc. Legalizing drugs would solve most of the world’s crime problems, wipe out the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Colombian, Mexican, etc. drug gangs, and so on. The same number of drug addicts will remain. It never really changes anyway, as ending prohibition proved. It’s a win for everyone. the people supporting keeping drugs illegal are all profiting from that area. Politicians, prisons, cops, etc. all make money off the drug problem. Stop the problem and solve the problems. Let’s get smart on crime.

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By: Michael Ham http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2009/09/24/criminal-anarchy-on-americas-doorstep/#comment-24890 Wed, 30 Sep 2009 15:09:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=5409#comment-24890 Sergey,

I never put any limits on who the drug war affects, it affects everyone. Everything that’s sold on the market is taxed through sales taxes, etc.

The black market for tobacco isn’t a big deal or a large market, and it’s something that could be easily fixed with a tax cut. The moonshine market isn’t that big of a deal either, there will always be a small black market for anything no matter what you do.

I’m not saying tax the world out of marijuana, tax it a small amount more than sales tax and the free market will drown out 95-99% of the black market whether it be people buying marijuana/marijuana products, plants or seeds.

I don’t like how it affects all classes of people, but it hurts poor people and blacks/hispanics the most. Just look at our prison population. As far as rich people go I don’t like how all the righteous people freaked out when they saw Michael Phelps with a bong, I’m sure that cost him some money too. It takes a very senile person to think it’s a big deal to see a young person with marijuana and react by flipping out, since every kid has done it pretty much.

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