Comments on: America, terrorists and Nelson Mandela http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: khorzo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-31763 Sat, 28 Aug 2010 07:41:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-31763 during the court proceeding,some of the information about MEKm`s activities declassified by state department.
according to these information the group has not ended its military operation,still intenends to use violence to achieve its political goals and trained females to be suicide bombers.in also said that much of the information the group has provided on iran`s nuclear program has been wrong.
(www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/a rticle/2010/07/16/AR2010071605881_pf.htm l)
therefor MEK exatly is a terrorist group.

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By: Ghandiolfini http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28538 Tue, 19 Jan 2010 10:55:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28538 I would not mention Nelson Mandela and the latest Nobel Prize for Peace Speech in one breath. HBC, while talking about propaganda and using this exciting week as a crude example:

What is the similarity between the Golden Globe Awards and yesterday’s ‘Attack’ in Kabul:

1. It was staged;
2. No one actually knew how to get to the stage;
3. The winners applauded themselves;
4. The losers looked happier than the winners;
5. The advertising/drug breaks were extremely irritating.

The camera work was shocking.

The differences:

1. The most consistent petty drug offender in the US made the best speech, ‘or not\';
2. The MC was better in the US;
3. The MC insults were more subtle in the US;
4. The Taliban gets better botox treatment;
5. Kabul needs a facelift.

America is great at putting on a ‘show’. That’s about it…

Who cares about blacklists ? Really, traveling has become a financial hazard in/to any event.

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By: HBC http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28534 Mon, 18 Jan 2010 23:19:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28534 Truth in advertising: until they can be reformed under more enterprising leadership than President Barack Obama, these lists should be renamed the “We Don’t Like You – Don’t Ask Us Why” lists. All they really seem to be is brown icing on the urinal cake of sinecure known as The War On Terror.

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By: robert_john http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28519 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:56:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28519 The central point not brought up by the article is that the U.S. definition of whether you are a “terrorist” or “freedom fighter” depends largely on whether you are serving Washington’s agenda or not.

There has been some marginal improvement in this regard in recent years — with for example Columbian right-wing paramilitary groups making the list. But this is essentially window dressing to fend off accusations of hypocrisy.

And that hypocrisy is rife.

The rebels in Darfur have not been labelled “terrorists” — because the U.S. wants to overthrow the government of Sudan. The rebels in Sri Lanka were labelled “terrorists” because the U.S. doesn’t want to overthrow that government. They have nearly identical motivations and tactics.

Mr. Debusmann’s focus on the Iranian opposition MEK is due to a simple point: efforts are being ramped up to overthrow the Iranian government with a “colored revolution” — and the U.S. bureaucracy is interfering with a quick switch to supporting the MEK as a tool of this.

What is lacking from the U.S. system is any clear, universal definition of what is the right of a minority region to wage a war of independence, what is the right of people in an occupied territory to resist occupation, what is the right of people under a dictatorship to take up arms. And what defines dictatorship, along a continuum from open dictatorship like China, to blatantly fraudulent democracy like Kazakhstan, to seriously flawed democracy like Iran, to carefully managed democracy like the United States itself?

For example under international law, Hamas has every right to shoot at occupying Israeli soldiers — but the U.S. calls this “terrorism”. And the French Resistance shooting Germans? Oh, well that’s a different story. Somehow. Not defined how.

And that “notorious murderous terrorist gang leader” — George Washington?

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By: eliott http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28518 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:43:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28518 this a good article, your analyse regarding the reasons for keeping the mek in the black list are really well explained. they have been put in the black list to satisfy iranian regime. the mek relay the voice of iranian people. the amercian government should stop keeping hope in this regime since this regime will never make any concessions; as you said mek have always been used by the US or EU as the bergainning chip with the iranian regime.

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By: magdin http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28516 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 21:05:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28516 A simple question Mr Dobusmann, I’m an italian with residence in Cairo, Egypt. In the case I want to visit Manhattan flying from Cairo I’m arrested on the JFKennedy Airport on the spot? or are the police ask me if I prefere to go to Cuba, Guantanamo? just to know, because I don’t like the cold of Down Town Manhattan being an “aficionado” to the warm climate. You suggest me to stay quite in Cairo or what? Thanks

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By: juergista http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28515 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 20:06:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28515 good article,

One must ask himself/herself, is this the american definition of “justice for all”.

it feels like, it doesnot matter what the organization was or is, as long as the appeassment of the ruling mullahs is the main policy, this organization will be named as a terrorist. In Europe justice prevailed over shameful hourse trading. Would it be the case in US too? Lets hope so.

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By: alisadeq http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28514 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:37:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28514 The world is watching; this is not about MEK anymore. It is rather about our judicial system and credibility of FTO list. As far as the Iranian people is concerned, MEK is a resistance movement, when it comes to Judicial systems evaluating MEK, both the British and EU court reviewed all documents about MEK/PMOI including the unclassified documents and concluded that PMOI/MEK should not be in the list. The State Department is heavily influenced by pro-mullahs lobby group. This is our opportunity to side with the Iranian people and taking the right step i.e. removing the PMOI from the list.

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By: Smack-Jack http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28513 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:35:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28513 I wonder….is the Mexican Drug Cartel on the American Terror List yet???

If not, then WHY?

GOOD QUESTION, if I do say so myself…

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By: Jayson_R http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/15/america-terrorists-and-nelson-mandela/#comment-28512 Sat, 16 Jan 2010 19:04:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6250#comment-28512 When the government of The United States of America brands an organization or an individual as a “terrorist” it is like “the pot calling the kettle black”.
Let us not forget the fact that Osama bin Laden was trained by the CIA. Nor let us forget that there was such a thing as The School of the Americas that trained the military of the most repressive dictatorships the world has ever known to kill, torture and maim anyone that dared to stand-up for their human rights. And how about the dozens of documented “false flag” operations conducted by the very same U.S. government (which by the way is state sponsored terrorism).
How dare they open their mouths… How dare they hold their heads up and face the people of a civilized world…

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