Comments on: Massachusetts vote a referendum on health care reform http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: jondale http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28617 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 18:44:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28617 None of the respondents who claim to have experience of the health care system in Europe mention which part of Europe they know something about. “Europe” consists of more than a dozen countries, each with its own health care system. In some places, the health care is excellent, in some it is merely adequate. In all places, it is either completely free or genuinely affordable and, most importantly, available to all. And there is always the option of ‘private health care’ – i.e. doctors and hospitals outside the national system that you simply pay for yourself if you can afford it and do not wish to rely on the health care that is provided free. Likewise, there are private health insurance companies similar to those in the USA if you prefer not to rely on the universal national health insurance schemes that pay for the ‘free’ care.

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By: singlpayractvst http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28595 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:15:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28595 ccttl: although you are wrong about Europe, based on my family’s multiple experiences there of a serious accident and a couple of serious medical condition … and on the Europeans’ much better life expectancy and ability to minimize deaths due to preventable diseases (U.S. is 19th out of 19 countries) … and no major medical bills … and no medical bankruptcies … (and there’s more) .. —- you do have one thing correct. We must reduce government involvement by having a separate public agency, not having the day-to-day debates and decision-making of U.S. politicians messing things up. We need to eliminate bureaucracy with Medicare for All. We don’t need to add to it like the Congress and President Obama are preparing to do. TAKE ACTION, CCTTL … go for what’s the best. Go here: www.medicareforall.org

Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

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By: singlpayractvst http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28594 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:13:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28594 KenesZwart and all: Please spend 10-15 minutes per month to help get it at http;//www.medicareforall.org

Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

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By: singlpayractvst http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28593 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 12:11:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28593 southwerk and all: We can and will get Medicare for All. There is plenty of hope, but we must act in unison. We can all do it FIRST by sitting at our homes or businesses. In fact, we can get help at the first of each month that makes our individual task easy as part of being “one in a million.” SECOND we can contact others one-on-one or on the phone to tell them as part of a massive communications activity among us to know what Medicare for All (single-payer) is and what its benefits are (select “Benefits” at the website). That’s most of the steps for how to get it. To learn what the heck I am talking about sign up at www.medicareforall.org for how to get Medicare for All. Be part of the action. Try it; you’ll like it.

Bob the Health and Health Care Advocate

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By: tenman07 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28591 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:57:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28591 ndun wrote,”I love it when people say, “I’ve been to Europe and they have terrible health care.” What were you on, a cruise or a drug? Our health care can cost you your house and your life savings and your life itself. It’s inequitable and insurance companies spend eons on salaries for employees who do nothing except find ways to deny health care for customers who get sick. Billions in profits and excessive salaries for CEO’s is where our premiums go. For-profit health care is immoral, but tell that to a right wing Evangelical “tea bagger.” What they hate is the concept of equality for all and a sense of sharing. What is the one thing the government ever got right? Social Security. ======== Hey, ndun, Newsflash for you. I am one of those educated, working, middle-class, conservative evangelicals, and the hypocrisy and ignorance of you and the typical left is laughable. I am an American citizen, expat [it means a non-native person working overseas]and we have socialized medicine. You should ease up on the meth and travel, or read something besides comics. We have socialized medicine and it is terrible. The care is substandard, and the waiting is horrible, and to pay for this nighmare, we have 23% tax on everything from used clothes to food and used cars. Oh, ndun, the best part is we also have forced castrations too, for sex offenders, covered by all the citizens. [Now that’s a good start to real health care reform] But someone too lazy to check Barak Hussein’s voting record would be too lazy to learn a foreign langauge. Just listen to yourself — you’re defending democrats like Nobamamao, who have never led or managed anything, Martha the child molester supporter, who said that there are no terrorists in Afghanistan, or the TSA nominee sellers, who wanted to unionize the TSA. Great logic, ndun.

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By: tenman07 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28589 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:27:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28589 Southwerk wrote, “I am just a citizen. I helped vote in the President and his party. I wanted someone who would look out for my interests. The President then cut a deal with major corporations so that the health care bill would be acceptable to them. The Congress created an obligation for me to buy health insurance from the companies that had created the crisis. My wife’s insurance is deemed too large and they decided to tax it cutting my family’s benefits.” ===== Hey, Southwerk, I don’t want to say “serves you right”. It is clear you didn’t bother to check Obama’s voting record. If you had, you would know he is an elitist, indecisive socialist who voted “present” 60% of the time in the senate. That is not just a coward, that is a person who doesn’t have integrity to take a stand and then take responsibility for their decision. What else did you expect?? That’s the trouble with the left and those on all the programs- they want the free handouts, and to penalize those evil rich people– the ones who own factories and provide jobs. There’s a reason people say “tax and spend like a liberal democrat.”

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By: tenman07 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28588 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 09:21:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28588 Remind me, what does the government do well and efficiently? Nothing, right? So why on earth would we ever entrust them to enact legislation that has any bearing on our healthcare? Anyone ever been to Europe? I have and their healthcare, which costs a fortune, is terrible. Keep the government out of as much as possible. Bureaucrats with special interest lobbyists cannot make sound decisions on our behalf. ====== Amen to that! I am an expat in Central Europe and we have socialized medicine; the care is horrible, hard to get in, long waiting, and to pay for this sham, they have 23% tax on everything! Yes, including used clothes, used cars, and food. Everyone hates it, rich, poor and middle class.

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By: physio http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28587 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:32:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28587 So much BS! Insurance companies run the show, grease the palm of the senators on both sides of the aisle. Right now ANTHEM BLUE CROSS OF CALIFORNIA is in the process of reaming all private practice physical therapists in the state by cutting their reimbursable rates down to 75 dollars a visit! No matter what the diagnosis, how complicated the patient. How expert the services! Friends if you work California you know private practioners can’t survive at that rate and give quality care, what with the cost of doing business there. It’s a wake up call people to stand up and do something! But there is no way to get reform until you get big business out of health care. No way to get reform until you make the insurance giants part of the Sherman Act which would stop them from collusion and price fixing. No reform until you understand that doctors aren’t making decisions about your care but rather some damn bean counter on the phone! No reform when the insurance companies “compromised” and said, we won’t discriminate on diseases states but we’ll discriminate on age. Great so your 45 and can’t get insurance even if you’re perfectly healthy. No reform until you get enough people who vote, who lose their jobs to realize even the so called middle class can’t afford health care if they are out of a job 6 months or two years. Who in the hell can afford the cobra costs?
STAND UP, CALL YOUR HR DEPT. CALL YOUR SENATOR AND CONGRESSMAN and tell them you have had enough!

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By: Ananke http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28586 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 08:19:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28586 Benny Acosta, post #2 told you. I am so happy to finally see Americans start distinguish the difference between insurance and care. You need HEALTHCARE, which unfortunately for the American individualism, is a social idea. Forced insurance premiums will have the same exact effect as forced auto premiums – be very expensive. Yes, the Congress betrayed its citizens, and it is trying to force you into even larger corporate profits. The very same idea that orthodox republicans were trying to convey for 30 years now may become true. Insist on reforms, not the parody of law, that currently goes on.

Amen.

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By: Citizen_A http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/01/20/massachusetts-vote-a-referendum-on-health-care-reform/#comment-28585 Fri, 22 Jan 2010 07:32:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6278#comment-28585 Universal insurance is universal healthcare by proxy with additional administrative overheads. It is just a privately administered tax without the benefit of oversight.

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