Comments on: Toyota’s “exceptionalism” came back to bite http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: fmvssguy http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/#comment-28870 Thu, 11 Feb 2010 18:31:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6493#comment-28870 “alert, well-trained drivers will continue to be the only factor capable of preventing inevitable quality slips from becoming fatality statistics.”
Perhaps true, but not if the federal agency tasked with protecting their safety blows them off such as the Oct. 20th, 2009 “Denial of a Petition for a defect investigation” from NHTSA to a very savvy consumer who insisted that there was more to the Toyota pedal issue than floormats. NHTSA couldn’t find anything and refused to look deeper. Three months later, Toyota issues the gas pedal recall, installing ‘shims’ on pedals involving over 2 million cars. Someone at NHTSA should be red-faced?

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By: kos http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/#comment-28857 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 21:07:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6493#comment-28857 The problem is that to many politicians in the white house get to many free trip in Hawaii (on TOYOTA expenses), to hide the truth from the public about Toyota

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By: eaton53 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/#comment-28850 Wed, 10 Feb 2010 00:56:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6493#comment-28850 “For proof of this, we need only look to last week’s recall of nearly a million Chevrolet Cobalt power steering systems, which addressed a loss of control comparable to Toyota’s unintended acceleration, but garnered little of the media attention lavished on the Toyota recall.”

What recall? There’s an investigation… NO RECALL.
And according to supplier JTEKT:

“JTEKT contends the components all met the specifications and testing requirements that GM gave it,” said Bob Haddad, a lawyer for the supplier. “The issue do not affect the operator’s ability to control the vehicle. This is a noise issue.”

http://www.crainsdetroit.com/article/200 91123/FREE/911239988#

So… a noise issue that does not affect the operator’s ability to control the vehicle = uncontrollably accelerating death car?

I’m not shocked at this misinformation… I expect nothing less from the operator of TTAC. It’s a GM Hate Site. He can’t help but try to get his GM shots in.

But this is Reuters, not a two-bit blog.

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By: Pavesa http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/#comment-28849 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 23:05:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6493#comment-28849 I actually had an uncontrolled accelleration happen to me a few years ago. It turned out there was some abrasion of the gas pedal cable which prevented it returning. It is the scariest thing because initially you don’t believe it, then there is panic and by then you’re doing 50 MPH after that every ounce of concentration is consumed by panic, fear and looking at the road ahead. You don’t have the concentration resources or time to think about how to stop the car unless perhaps you’re on an empty highway. Fortunately for me, the cable loosened itself and the car slowed.

You say “(this) could have been prevented by shifting the vehicle’s transmission into neutral … but alert, well-trained drivers will continue to be the only factor capable of preventing inevitable quality slips from becoming fatality statistics.”

It has to help to have pre-programmed in your mind that in this situation you push it into neutral to kill the acceleration. I don’t wish to put words in your mouth, but having had this experience I know that cognitive processes are overloaded by the situation and you have no time to think of solutions as it happens.. to seem to suggest that victims of this were not alert or well-trained fails to grasp the realities of the situation the people found themselves in.

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By: antonio311 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/#comment-28848 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 22:54:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6493#comment-28848 Toyota is a very over-rated brand! This is not a sticking gas pedal or a floor mat problem! This is a computer glitch which CAN NOT be fixed…as you’ll all soon see! Many companies have a safety feature called ‘brake-over-ride’ which electronically lets the brake win, over the accelerator when both are engaged. Toyota doesn’t have this because they don’t care about YOUR safety! Chrysler has had this since 2003! Also Notice Toyota doesn’t have 1 car on the National insurance institute for highway safety awards list for 2010, meanwhile little old Chrysler has 4 picks & comprised 15% of the total! Buy something safe, purchase a Chrysler Jeep or Dodge Today. Stay away from Toyotas!!!

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By: Brainstorms http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/09/toyotas-exceptionalism-came-back-to-bite/#comment-28847 Tue, 09 Feb 2010 21:52:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6493#comment-28847 Sorry if this is a double-post; I just registered to add this to the story…

The ironic thing is that this is not the first series of quality problems that Toyota has had. They’ve actually been very successful in keeping their problems out of the public spotlight. Until now.

Toyota was successfully sued over defects in their 1MZ V6 and 5SFE inline-4 engines (for Camry, Solara, Celica) produced between July 1996 and July 2001. In this case, a faulty crankcase breather design allowed combustion blow-by gases to accumulate in the crankcase, eventually causing the oil to gel, ruining thousands of engines. Although Toyota initially denied responsibility, the resulting class-action lawsuit was eventually settled in 2007, with Toyota agreeing to a “Special Policy Adjustment” to cover replacement of damaged engines under warranty.

The follow-on 2AZ-FE inline-4 engines produced from 2002 through 2006 (for Camry, Solara, Highlander) have a different defect, in this case a metallurgical problem in the aluminum block that allows the headbolts to strip their threads. Mechanics have, in some cases, been able to turn the headbolts with their fingers when diagnosing this. The result is that the head is able to lift up slightly, allowing coolant to leak out of the engine, or, worse, into the crankcase. The result in the latter case is engine sludge that can destroy the engine. Toyota has been steadfastly denying responsibility for this, too. Angry owners (some out as much as $8000) are starting to call for another class-action lawsuit.

I know all about the second case — it ruined my 2003 Camry’s engine.

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