Comments on: In drug war, failed old ideas never die http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: charlie1002 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-30335 Sun, 16 May 2010 21:27:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-30335 And why are we going by laws enacted in 1961?
Really….

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By: charlie1002 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-30334 Sun, 16 May 2010 21:24:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-30334 I am a 47 year old mother of an 18 year old college student and business owner. I have recently gone back to college to earn my BCIS and I hear a lot from the kids in my classes and I have to say very nearly every single one is all for legalization of marijuana. These kids are smart kids, the classes they take are not easy. The general opinion is that the money we spend on fighting it is ridiculous and the laws that support the fight are antiquated.
I won’t quote any more facts or figures, that has obviously already been done. I will say it is far past the time for marijuana legalization. What we are doing here in California is none of the UN’s business. We are wasting millions upon millions of dollars on the marijuana drug war that could be spent on far better things. It’s just a plant! An herb that has great medicinal value that could be used to generate a great deal of money for programs and other things we need, instead of taking the money out of our pockets that we cant’ afford to lose. I am not a kid or a pothead but I am all for the legalization and taxation of marijuana. In the long run it will save many lives from being ruined by incarceration for such a ridiculous reason.
As for the ridiculous claims that legalizing marijuana will increase crime or turn our state into a bunch of pot smoking hippies, well that is a hilarious yet hysterical statement that comes from those who only read and quote facts from science or medical journals and have never lived in the real world. Limber up people!
Relax and enjoy your lives! Get out and walk among the people who enjoy the marijuana cafe’s and talk to them.
They are just people like you and me. As for the fed and UN….KEEP YOUR NOSE OUT OF OUR STATE!…We don’t need your help on these kinds of matters. As for the ridiculous raids on medical marijuana facilities.STOP IT! really…

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By: MetalVixxen http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29768 Sun, 11 Apr 2010 04:31:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29768 I want to know this, if California passes the vote of legalizing marijuana .. will it be top “primo” grade or dirt weed (stuff so disgusting and poor grade won’t get a fly high)?
I’m not really in support for the legalizing of marijuana for recreational use .. but for medical reasons yes!

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By: rhoadie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29588 Wed, 31 Mar 2010 21:22:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29588 There have been some thoughtful posts on this topic.

Personally, I’ve used pot daily for over 30 years. I graduated with a 3.8 GPA, learned to build computers before you could buy one pre-built, and have never drawn a single unemployment check. I make over $50K a year as a skilled laborer, where I have never filed a workman’s comp claim.

I’ve held the same job for over 16 years. During that time, I’ve missed a 14 days of work – 5 days for knee surgery, and 9 days for a seasonal flu which developed into viral bronchitis and nearly killed me. Neither was work-related.

About a third of my co-workers use pot, and about two-thirds use alcohol. The small percentage who abuse one or both are, in general, more accident-prone, less productive, more often tardy and far more aggressive. They tend to have very short careers. The vast majority are adults who don’t drink or smoke before coming to work, pay their bills and their taxes, and are – in general – a great bunch of folks to work with. Many of my co-workers are also my closest friends. About half of my friends smoke pot, and the rest don’t care that we do, as long as we don’t care that they don’t smoke.

This isn’t a scientific study, but based on my observations:

1. Drugs are not the underlying problem. Alcohol doesn’t “make” someone violent, and pot doesn’t “make” someone irresponsible. People are who they are, and drugs merely peel away the outer facade to expose the inner person.

2. I have never met a pot smoker who didn’t try alcohol first.

3. People who sell large quantities of pot want to keep it illegal, and therefore expensive, as long as possible.

4. Hemp fiber, hemp paper, and hemp-seed oil are very attractive alternatives to petroleum-based fiber, wood-pulp paper, and cottonseed oil. (Fact: The Model-A originally ran on biodiesel from 100% pure hemp-seed oil.)

5. Numerous studies by the Federal Gov’t and others have pointed out that drug and/or alcohol treatment costs far less and works far better than incarceration.

6. I’ve lost dozens of friends over the years to cigarettes and alcohol. My stepfather died from cihrrosis of the liver, two co-workers died of alcohol poisoning, dozens have been killed by drunk drivers or while driving drunk, several have succombed to cancer and heart failure tied to drinking and smoking. No one I’ve known, nor anyone any of my friends have known, has ever died from smoking pot.

7. At least 75% of all the adults I know have tried marijuana. Of those who don’t smoke, none have ever reported feeling “addicted” to pot. They – in their own words – “just gave it up,”, or “didn’t care for it.”

Make of these what you will – I made my own decision long ago, and I’ll stand by it.

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By: EQReynolds http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29586 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:12:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29586 Gee, Prohibition in the 20’s was such a smashing success! The War on Drugs has been such a valedictorian victory! Why stop something that has done so much for the triumph of Western Civilization!

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By: fred5407 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29585 Tue, 30 Mar 2010 23:06:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29585 Legalized Drugs? Just watch ABC news commercials to see the latest designer drugs. You can’t find beer, wine, or whiskey ads. Just drug ads. The money used for the drug war will help to provide health care for children, but the congress would just say no.

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By: Zacs http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29183 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 17:44:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29183 First of all, the UN needs to stop sticking their noses in States’ business. I understand that it is difficult for that opportunistic cartel of European aristocrats, Russian mobsters, and Asian communists to understand that our States laws often take (or at least should take) precedence over Federal laws, but they should be sent a very clear message by the aforementioned States to BUTT OUT.
Second, I grow tired of the Marijuana users and their endless claims of how great Marijuana is compared to other drugs, how misunderstood it is, etc. Whether Marijuana is good or bad has no place in this discussion at all because the real crux of the issue is the Imperial Federal Government wasting mega sums of taxpayer money on a victimless crime. Let’s talk about that and keep the discussion moving forward. Dope smokers and their ridiculous claims only stain the debate and turn many people away from our viewpoint. In addition, I am tired of being associated with pot heads when this topic of discussion arises among my peers. So, I am asking the pro pot smokers out there to please stop hijacking this discussion whenever it comes up. This is not (or should not be) a forum on the merits of recreational Marijuana use.

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By: drewbie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29182 Mon, 01 Mar 2010 15:19:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29182 I find it ironic this was posted the same day as an article detailing the connection between prolonged use and psychosis.

However, I am in favor of all victimless crimes being legalized, and I agree that the UN is butting in.

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By: Komment http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29181 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 22:59:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29181 On the alcohol vs marijuana discussion, here’s a useful link:

http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/20 09/07/23/driven-to-drink-by-marijuana-la ws/

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By: JackAllan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/02/26/in-drug-war-failed-old-ideas-never-die/#comment-29179 Sun, 28 Feb 2010 20:12:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6656#comment-29179 Cali099, Yes, Cali, I do know how stupid it is to preach about the effects of Marijuana to people who want to use it. I learned that when I was completing my undergraduate degree in BioChemistry at the University of California and was a volunteer at the local free drug counseling clinic doing drug testing and counseling.
I learned more about the futility of “preaching” after I graduated from law school and for 15 years volunteered part of my time as a supervising lawyer for a domestic violence center helping women get out of domestic violence situations. Over 90% of the thousands of clients I saw reported drug and alcohol use as part of the problems. Alcohol and Marijuana were the most common drugs. In my experience, preaching is not very effective.
My point was not to preach, but simply to state basic known medical information about the biochemistry of marijuana and the known effects. Much is not known.
I do not believe that we should waste resources on a losing drug war, but advocates for the legal use of marijuana are not lobbying for the right to work or free speech or some lofty goal. You simply want to get high and alter your brain chemistry, and very few advocates want to intelligently discuss the economic, social and medical costs of using this drug.
I saw the same type of thinking with alcohol abusers.

I agree with you about Fox News. I use to watch it and eventually found myself marching around the room singing German marching songs and shouting “Death to Liberals”.
Luckily my family did an intervention and I switched to CNN. However, I then would sit in a lotus position and say UMMMMMM for hours after the news.
Finally I switched to watching the crystal meth of news, Keith Olbermann. I started throwing things at the end of his program when he throws the papers at the camera. One night I threw the TV across the room. Since then I stay away from those addictive programs and get all my news from feeds from news services.
To get high, I watch my favorite movie. The Big Lebowsky. Call me The Dude or Duder, or El Duderino.
Chill Man.

To Benny: Thanks for your thoughtful response. I am aware of most of the recent scientific research on marijuana, and I agree that marijuana is not the demon drug. That would be crystal meth. I also agree that legalalization may have some benefits including freeing law enforcement to work on other problems and the ability to tax the users and perhaps more research.
I thought I made it clear that I was ok with legalizing the marijuana use, I just want the users to pay the freight for the fall out. Based on my limited experience at the university and as a lawyer working with families who were affected by drug use, including alcohol and marijuana, I would much prefer we spend time, and money trying to discourage the use by education, and taxing the use heavily to pay for the damage to society. Raise taxes on tobacco, which is more addictive as well.

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