Comments on: America’s season of rage and fear http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Ghandiolfini http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29694 Sun, 04 Apr 2010 18:53:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29694 Fear and loathing in Las Vegas, Gonzo.

Smear and looting in Washington, Anon

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By: bmize http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29679 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 12:43:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29679 Dear Bernd Debusman,

You are correct. We are already Socialist and have been for some time. I am Republican and Conservative and your writing boviously has hit a nerve with many Americans.

I also find it hard to believe that a militia against the federal govt. would kill a policeman and then try to take out his mourners. It does sound like a clever story for a govt. agency to gain popular support to go arrest and break up these guys. Think about it what would they gain for their cause by killing police famillies?

We are no longer FREE. Just ask the citizens about Hate Crimes…why is what you do against Gays (or any group) worse than what you do against me? Special classes have more freedoms and protection than others.

Don’t even get me started about taxes…you think you own something? Since WWII income taxes were placed on property temporarily and have never left. Just don’t pay them on your house, car, trailer anything you think you “own”. The Government will sieze it and sell it for back taxes.

America if left on the current road will be gone inside 5 to 10 years. All the attackers are within…in fact Obama is leading those down the path Russia and other large Socialist/Communists have gone. Militia really don’t have to do anything but wait for the chaos to breakout.

I will keep praying that sanity will someday come to Washington. It can only happen if the silent majority step up and get involved.

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By: Ghandiolfini http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29678 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:01:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29678 Thanks for that Komment, I always wondered where Chinua Achebe got the title of his book.

I am not sure how the aggregate taxes in the US works, and without going into too much detail, my effective tax rate:

Salary/fees: 30%
VAT: 14%
Fuel: 1%
Sin taxes: 1%
Financial instruments, e.g. an EFT: 1%
Property, let’s say: 1%
Others, undefined: 2%

Total: 50%

In other words, I give away 50% of every $ I earn, and I have no social security – I have to pay my own medical and pension. Am I a communist, socialist or capitalist ?
More like a ‘ComSocCap’.

To get back to the topic at hand, I am enraged and live in fear of the authorities, and that is not even the intelligence guys, because, they are intelligent as they work for the state and I pay their salaries, i.e. the tax multiplier effect, which takes me beyond 50%.

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By: scrypton http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29677 Sat, 03 Apr 2010 07:22:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29677 I think the conservatives are merely boomers who are having flashbacks from some bad stuff they smoked back in the sixties. The young folks will not get involved because they are to busy with their face books and video games to really know what is happening. The press is fueling the fire. The government really doesn’t give a crap and is business as usual. As far as you conservatives are concerned, put away your protest signs. Take some Viagra had have another summer of love.

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By: Komment http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29674 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:55:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29674 This whole debate, and the climate in the country, brings to mind a poem by the great Irishman William Butler Yeats. It was written a year after the end of World War I and includes these lines:

“Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.”

Will the center hold?

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By: Andymc7 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29673 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:17:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29673 Andrec27:

Um, not sure how to put this but, you’re disgustingly wrong. The tax code has a stepped up tax rate which has higher income’s paying as much as 38% of their income straight to the Federal government. Those with lower income pay 10-15% and after tax credits and ‘making work pay credits’ most people end up with no taxes at all. Yes MOST.

Mint.com estimated that in 2009, 46.9% of Americans will have zero federal income. This data was from IRS.gov, taxfoundation.org and taxpolicycetner.org information. You are so wrong its laughable and scary. See for yourself:

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/f iles/images/user5/MINT-TAXES-R3.png

This is part of why people are fearful & angry because 46.9% of Americans have incentive to vote the taxes from others to themselves. Point, case, fact, truth, cry and weep libs.

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By: Ghandiolfini http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29672 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:14:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29672 If everybody could just cut down on the length of their contributions, and spread it a bit, we might even make the main page…

QED: Quad Est Demonstrandum

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By: bigmikey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29671 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 20:12:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29671 In 1973 I visited a small hospital 50 miles south of Cleveland, Ohio and in the waiting room were Amish whom I rarely saw before. I commented to the nurse about them and she said, “They only come here when their pain or cure cannot be taken care of by their home treatments.” Many people with hospitalization do that. Are emergency rooms visits required by laws to treat anyone that comes in? With the increasing numbers of poor in our country, USA, who is going to pay for the ER care providers; Capitalists or Socialists?

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By: Andymc7 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29670 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:58:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29670 Sidrod23,
You’re a dumb A. To characterize an entire group of people by region and accuse them of racism is ridiculous. Have you ever been to the South? Have you ever done anything of note for that matter? Please, this is not about racism although its funny how quick people are to jump to racism because it gets people excited.

This is about one thing: Rights versus Opportunity.

America used to be about opportunity but now its about rights & entitlements and people getting what they deserve.

If a company can make billions or millions doing something well people get upset, no jealous, and the politicians jump on board. Remember the crusade against Exxon?! What happened to that, oh gas prices went down and it just fadded away!!

People, healthcare companies making money is not a bad thing. Every post I read about someone complaining that someone makes too much money is insane. That is what America is about, opportunity. Why do people feel the need to punish success?

The government is getting too big and spending with reckless abandon (please stop mentioning GWB – he is not the president and certainly not the cause of a real estate bubble and Obama is not entirely to blame either.

There is simply too much to write in such a little box but Obama is destroying the country and he is doing it by making you think he is protection you from evil people making money. Stop chanting “Change” and “Yes we can” and watch what he is DOING.

Healthcare and others making money provide jobs, innovation; and not least the taxes to pay your entitlements. It is competition that keeps prices low. Not government intervention and taxes. Why don’t you people get this?!

The problem with America is this belief that you all deserve something. You deserve O2 (oxygen for those of you that dropped out of high school) and that is it. You have a system, a country, in front of you that gives you every opportunity to succeed if you would just take it. But no, people think they deserve something. WHY? Where did this come from? Where did accountability go? Drop out of high school and expect someone to take care of you. Obama preaches “tough love” but what has he done except give “stimulus funds” 80% which just went to help state budgets and bank bailouts. But no, really, he is concerned about main street. SHOW ME

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By: MACV http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/04/01/americas-season-of-rage-and-fear/#comment-29668 Fri, 02 Apr 2010 19:48:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=6896#comment-29668 This “Founding Fathers” nonsense is really quite funny. Most of our “Founding Fathers” had slaves! And had no problem “bedding their female slaves”, after all what could their “slave husbands” or the Founding Father’s wives do about it. THEY HAD NO RIGHTS! We won’t talk about why the phrase “rule of thumb” came into being (the settler husbands used to beat their wives to death. Hence the law that you could not use a stick or branch bigger around than your thumb to beat your wife). Oh, and this little thing about “Manifest Destiny”, that about says it all. It was our Founding Fathers God given right to “do as they pleased” and force their idea of Democracy onto those that they happen to run across. But the “closer” was the fact that they were all “Land Owners” or, if you will, Property Owners. That property consisted of land, slaves and, of course, their wives. The idea that motivates most “conservatives” is “THIS IS MINE AND I’LL DO WHAT I WANT WITH IT”. Ergo, a longing for the Good Old Days. Everything else is smoke and mirrors, the founding fathers merely wanted the freedom to do with their property, whatever they wished.

It’s worth thinking about and a little researching.

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