Comments on: The trouble with U.S. terrorist watch lists http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: coyotle http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30316 Thu, 13 May 2010 23:18:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30316 Ayesee, Perhaps you should do a little further research on 1930s history yourself. Hitler blamed terrorists for burning down the Reichstag. He used the the so called terrorist threat as a pretext to begin relocating undesirables(Jews, Gypsies and dissidents)which eventually lead to extermination. He also moved his forces into the Middle East and Russia in his quest for natural resources; oil, coal and mineral ores.

The United States presently occupies nations sitting on the worlds vast oil and natural gas reserves. We are heavily dependent upon imports for oil. Am I the only one who sees these similarities? Certainly documenting United States’ military atrocities beginning with it’s treatment of the Native Americans all the way to Abu Graib and the current battle field executions of detainees would be exhaustively redundant.

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By: ayesee http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30306 Wed, 12 May 2010 20:38:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30306 CatchingBombs said this, above:

“Do you guys have an enemy list aswell, like for people who would be more likley to fight against you than for you? If so, put me on it because if push comes to shove I will be there. One day people like me will do what people like your grandparents did to my country, rightly.

And before I forget, stop getting other countries to fight for you. Perhaps then I can do my military service without feeling bad about it.”

Hey dude, apparently you are referring to World War II, which was initiated by two countries: 1. Nazi Germany (assisted by Fascist Italy), and 2. Japan, about two years after the the murdering leader of Germany, Hitler, had initiated the war in Europe.

Either you have never studied real history, or choose to belie and ignore it, as some do.

It does not really need to be said, as it has been documented in countless books and documents and photographs, that the only reason Germany was bombed by the Allies is that your apparent beloved elected leader of Germany in the 1930’s had as his goal the conquering of the world, to be dictator of the world, and the extermination of a large group of people because of their particular religion. Because you choose to ignore this does not mean it did not happen.
So stow your obnoxious, immature and self-serving banter, and do something about your ignorance.
If American troops had not been battling Islamists who will murder anyone, anyone at all, to try to hurt America, because they believe their “God” wants them to murder anyone that is not them, then you and your country would be in as much danger ultimately of being murdered by those cutthroats as we Americans are.
The world does owe a debt to those who have given their lives, and place their lives in jeopardy, to fight evil, and the number one country doing so is still the U.S.A.

By the way, my father, not my grandfather, participated very much in the bombing of Germany to stop Hitler and his murdering ways. My father and millions like him did not go to war in Europe and the Pacific just because they wanted to, but because the world did and always will have those who choose to be evil and to try to conquer, dominate, plunder and harm others, as the elected leader of Germany did.

Unfortunately, like a weed coming up in a well-tended garden, you sprouted from seed that was left after the war, and the ideas and notions of superiority of Hitler and his gang of murderers lives on in hearts such as yours. So go read a real history book, instead of your NAZI lies. Learn some truth, and hopefully, change your attitude.

And the U.S. Dept. of Homeland Security will be happy to get your profile from Reuters to add to their lists of real potential terrorists.

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By: Chas2205 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30305 Wed, 12 May 2010 18:58:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30305 The watch list is automated, which is how Kennedy (and myself) got onto the list. I believe I was added automatically because, for one of my many trips, it was cheaper to purchase 2 one-way tickets than a round trip. My travel agent for work actually booked the tickets for me. The thing is, it wasn’t that flight that I was flagged on. It was my next round trip flight months later. I got onto the one-way flights no problem. I think we can be pretty certain that the watch lists don’t work at all.

The amazing thing to me is that so many Americans are fine with the intrusive security at the airports, indefinite incarceration, torture, suspension of the 4th and 14th amendments, yet get all upset at curtailing gun rights for terror suspects.

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By: linrn http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30303 Wed, 12 May 2010 13:36:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30303 I was a 50 year old white woman traveling from Dulles overseas. I had a metal cane which they made me put on the conveyor, but failed to give me the wooden replacement. They told me to go through the metal detector. I touched the edge for stability and got yelled at and told not to touch the frame. I then asked for my cane back and they refused and made me go through the humiliation of a search. That’s after they wouldn’t give me a chair to comply with taking off my shoes. I had to sit on their bin table. What did they think I was going to do? Use my cane to hijack the plane? I was obviously a handicapped person, not a terrorist. Or do I fit the usual profile? Oh, yeah, no profiling allowed. The two year old listed above and I are in the same terrorist cell!

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By: old_school http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30300 Tue, 11 May 2010 22:46:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30300 gsteinum wrote,
“how am i to believe that sen. kennedy was on a “one of america’s terrorist watch lists”? this sounds too absurd to be believable. so i say: no proof = no fact. guess again.”

gsteinun,
I found this link in the Washington Times after about one minutes worth of search:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/art icles/A17073-2004Aug19.html

So Kennedy was on a no fly list.

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By: ArmandoChan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30298 Tue, 11 May 2010 17:53:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30298 My brother Wilfredo Chan reside 231 Sapphire Lane Franklin Park, NJ came in with a fake US passport and an assume name Wilfredo Dizon years ago. No line just an express exit. Now, it is so different

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By: CatchingBombs http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30296 Tue, 11 May 2010 14:27:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30296 Haha! This reminds me alot of the DDR, just that with todays technology they dont have to sneak in your house and install cables and microphones…

Do you guys have an enemy list aswell, like for people who would be more likley to fight against you than for you? If so, put me on it because if push comes to shove I will be there. One day people like me will do what people like your grandparents did to my country, rightly.

And before I forget, stop getting other countries to fight for you. Perhaps then I can do my military service without feeling bad about it.

Greetings from Germany!

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By: willgrey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30294 Tue, 11 May 2010 06:10:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30294 To think this all started with a few guys with box cutter knives who flew perfectly into the world trade centers after being very poorly trained in Florida flight training schools..

Wake up people. The name of the game is fear.. keep the people afraid and stupid and you have control over them. “I have an idea.. let’s always have the threat level at orange even if there’s nothing going on..”

Oh sure, there’s real terrorists out there.. but the majority of them are recruited because they are pissed that we killed hundreds of thousands of their own (Iraq, Afghanistan wars)

Now you too can be threatened as a terrorist because of the patriot act and many other such bills.. We are letting them sacrifice our freedoms for security.. Welcome to The United States of Fear mongering..

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By: BDebusmann http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30290 Mon, 10 May 2010 17:11:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30290 gsteinum: As to “no proof=no fact. guess again” Scroll to page 26 in the transcript of a Senate hearing to see what the late Senator reported on the matter.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/ getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_senate_hearings&do cid=f:96459.pdf

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By: BDebusmann http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/05/08/the-trouble-with-u-s-terrorist-watch-lists/#comment-30289 Mon, 10 May 2010 10:37:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7116#comment-30289 gsteinum: Absurd is the right word. Click on Senator Susan Collins’ statement to the Committee on Homeland Security, May 5:

http://hsgac.senate.gov/public/index.cfm  ?FuseAction=Hearings.Hearing&Hearing_ID =a6061b56-3636-4fac-8446-b3c0dd65d02d

Read to the bottom of page 2.

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