Comments on: China needs to become a civil society in order to be a true global leader http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Protege http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32546 Sat, 02 Oct 2010 01:21:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32546 Reading through all the comments I see varied views and bi-faceted opinions mainly debating 1.China’s current Politics, which dictates its domestic affairs and its consequential relevancy with foreign nations, 2.its conflict history with surrounding nations, 3.comparison of the general state of law-entitled freedom and social living standard of China’s citizens to citizens of other modernized nations. Nearly all the comments holds partially accurate details, facts, and truth, but some lacks thorough hindsight at the core of its comment.
Now, I’m a Chinese citizen with a United States permanent residence card who spent most of my life in the USA, cultivated with a basic American education and currently living in China(the adverse state of economy in the USA has forced me, however reluctant I’m, to momentarily settle in China for employment), with parents that lived in China all their live, and now I would like to compare and share my opinions and perceived state of reality based on the years I spent in the USA and growing experiences living in China to the comments listed here.

From the local municipal’s slogans of city and towns I visited, the articles I read in newspapers, and news I watched on TV, its unmistakable that China’s current main political policy is domestic economic growth and the fortification of its central economic role aboard, China is clearly no longer passive in the game of global currency and its utilizing the influence of currency to its maximum efficiency. And the truth is, its policy is becoming a reality, rather or not if the methods are optimal; with modern highway infrastructures, banking infrastructures, education infrastructures, manufacturing facilities, commerce districts, malls, hospitals, all expanding accordingly to all areas of China and from it, I see the common citizen’s benefits in the economic growing spree. The modern China reacquainted and established relations with foreign nations of the world for slightly over 3 decades since the 1970’s, after experiencing over half a century of devastating civil wars and wars that crippled the very core of the Chinese Race, in such a brief time frame, along with tumultuous foreign relations events, China has moved from GDP no.81 to no.2 and not without a reason. With China open to trade and its available massive labor platform, businessmen of the west, in their quest to obtain maximum margin out of their products, have chosen China because of asymmetric currency values which leads to lower labor wages, cheaper supply cost, and overall manufacturing cost. This decision imported millions, and rising, of jobs to China from foreign nations. As for China’s method of approach on certain economic developments, I strongly advise on assuming the attitude of “spectator”. After all the Dutch Trading Empire or the New York Stock Exchange wasn’t created and perfected in one day, its over the course of over a century in both cases. The efficient standards and methods that mature economies enjoy today comes from learning hard lessons, don’t expect China to tumble any less lightly.

Like all modernizing nations, industrial pollution is unavoidable, USA has a few prime historical examples; the unimaginable pollution of lakes and rivers by Standard Oil in the late 1800’s, where a single lighted match can cost a fire “on” the lake or river, the year round smog resulting from industrial and automotive pollution in central districts of California in the 1920’s that severely damaged health and prohibited vision beyond 10ft, not to mention other present day pollution catastrophes. So my questions are, “Is there any modernized nation that exist in its current state without causing pollution or consumption of resources? Will any nation willingly donate a solution that can avoid or further reduce pollution and consumption of resources that can be realistically achieved and simultaneously keep up with the pace of modernization in China?”, if not, please don’t expect any greater of China then would of itself. China endeavored mightily with other Superpowers to acquire infrastructural technology for nuclear power plants to replace its coal power plant infrastructure with the aim of reducing carbon emissions, but the reply is a unsurprisingly “No”. When I used to commuted to work on the subway system of New York City or pass the Brooklyn bridge, the genius and magnificence of these structures never for once failed to inspire a sense of awe in me, but at the same time made me think how much steel, concrete, metal, etc it takes to construct these modern wonders. I still don’t know today, and I sincerely wish someone would enlighten me.

Human Rights, the biggest and most threatening subject to not only the Communist party, but to the entire Chinese population as well. This is a extremely sensitive issue concerning over 13 billion souls with far reaching consequences to China itself and the rest of the world. The Communist party realizes the potential rewards and dangers of this subject more than anyone else, and its taking its utter most care in its gradual advancement. I asked a coworker once if he can imagine China being a true democracy the likes of USA, he replied, “one day, but not now. Can you imagine 56 ethnic groups voting for a Chairman? Just take a look at Taiwan, we don’t need 56 more Taiwan.” Now the incidence at Tienanmen Square in 1989, I would have to agree with the rest of the world. The soldiers that committed the atrocities are heartless animals, but I still doubt that the Communist Chairman told the troops directly to “roll them over with tanks, they’re just animals”, because it would be the equivalent of US President Richard Nixon telling the national guards at the Kent State massacre in 1970 to “Shoot to kill, no mercy for the pigs on campus”, I’ll refrain from revising my perception of both incidents as overreactions by rash inexperienced troops that led to a chain reaction which resulted in the unnecessary death of the protesters.

The boarder conflicts are always over legal possession of land and it’ll remain the same for any country in aggression or defense. I’ve read enough history books to know that the legal rights over “said piece of land” always belong to the victor of the conflict. From Genghis Khan(the largest empire ever forged) to Catherine II of Russia(during her reign the Russian broader covered Turkey and included half of Alaska)to America’s Manifest Destiny to Germany’s Nazism, its always been the victors that determines the boundary of it’s nation, the defeated are always the muted ones that learns to obey and lie in wait for their chance to rise.

Let the military do all their catwalk, as long as peace continues to be maintained there is always a chance for a brighter future. Make no mistake, the USA is the No.1 country in the world from Human Rights to social standards, but like every other nation its got its flaws and proficiencies.

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By: shakro http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32527 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 21:25:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32527 China will never become global anything, leader or whatever. Europe and North America are global because they are open societies. People of all racial, ethnic, cultural etc. background move and integrate themselves there, even if they don’ speak host country language and share same values as the host nation. I can not imagine someone who is not Chinese-speaking and does not look Chinese integrate in Chinese society. As a matter of fact, Japan will never become global power for the same reason. China is going through industrial revolution, something that Europe went through in 19th century. Hopefully, it will increase standard of lives of ordinary people, not just increase GDP (BTW, USSR had great GDP, but ordinary people were starving).

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By: sjk168 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32525 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:56:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32525 Americans are not ready to face the fact of falling from the world leading position. As a father of an US Navy officer and a naturalized US citizen, I really worry about our givernment. How long is it going to be run by those crooks, who only care about been elected or re-elected. Recently, I visited China. In a private dinner engagement, one of a business owner was asking me ” what is going on in your country? While we are moving to a capitalist way, you are going communist.” I was stuned and had nothing to say. He also mentioned two things which just showing how bad we are. Either we are not willing to admit it, or just simply don’t want to face it. He said “America was built by some smart lawyers who cared about the country two hundred some years ago. Now, America is going to be ruined by the smart lawyers as well.” “Protectionism made us so poor for the past. Americans are step on our footprints.””Your government keep want us to increse our currency value because our products were too cheap. If we don’t sell you the cheap stuff, where could your middle class people to go buy $10.00 DVD players, and $5.00 t-shirt?” Deeeeep thoughts.

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By: sooku http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32495 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:26:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32495 RE. the post by AustinUSA: It takes a lot of money, will power and organization to turn a weapon advantage into a military advantage. And you don’t become a leader by “standing up”. You become a leader by being liked. That may be hard for China’s leadership to comprehend.

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By: sooku http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32494 Wed, 29 Sep 2010 19:20:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32494 China will never have soft power because it has a poor world image. It is seen as a fascist dictatorship with hostile intentions: destroying economies, destabilizing governments and getting under your skin. Secondly, the US inherited the world recognition and relationships conferred by the British empire – something China or Japan simply can’t. Third, China does not understand how to lead by consensus; it’s a dictatorship. The Chinese I know in Silicon Valley lack the demeanor, style or desire to be popular leaders. There are such leaders in Hong Kong but they have no political power.

You can’t just dream your way to world hegemony. You have to inherit it from the last great world empire, and China is the least likely country to do that. It does not have the image, the traditions, the world recognition, the institutions, even the language. If China wants power, she has to grab it. Mao would have known that.

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By: harley.d http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32457 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 02:57:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32457 let me tell you what, most Chinese think that China is too much poorer than US, less democratic, and US is a great country, and American ppl are enjoying their liberty and freedom. US is the paradise, and most Chinese are cynical about CCP, but are using to be non-aggressive and humble to CCP and to US, etc, that’s historical nature of Chinese.
Actually, they wanna show friendship to American and they admire the way American live, even sorry American are suspicious and afraid of China power, mainly due to CCP, but not Chinese civilians.In fact, most ppl in China embarrass China is not a good friend to US, but they wanna be like JPN, UK,..

This is harley living in China.

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By: wanhart http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32429 Sun, 26 Sep 2010 02:17:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32429 I have to reply to this moronic response:

1. Any western countries had colonized Asia and Africa. Spain, US, Germay, French and many more. China has to go to third world countries to do it. Because all greedy western countries already RAPED most Asian and African countries in the past.

2. You don’t want to migrate to China? Many people chosen China as their education destiny then USA now. Especially now that US President Obama a good orator with NO substsance and performance.

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Interesting!

China has no message to the world, and its image is not particularly appealing.

People buy made in China products because they’re cheap. These products don’t have the appeal of the French ‘chic’, the German ‘quality’, or the Japanese ’sophistication’.
Personally, I buy made in China, but I’m not comfortable knowing that the people who make these products are not being treated fairly by their employers, as well as by their own government.

China is supporting obnoxious regimes in Sudan and Iran, and other countries, without balancing it by anything positive, humanitarian, or ‘cool’ that anybody knows of.

Nobody outside China loves it the way people love America, because of America’s projected image as a free, open, fair and dynamic society.
Nobody wants to migrate to China, to the best of my knowledge.

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By: AustinUSA http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32422 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 19:11:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32422 China has the world’s only operational antiship ballistic missile (ASBM). With one strike raining in from outer space at hypersonic speed, there is no earthly defenses against it before it sink any aircraft carrier. American is now put in its place by the Middle Kingdom that reign unchallenged for 80% of its 6000 history as the dominant military, economic, political, and cultural center of the world. Even the fabled Atlantis would be awe as the world yawned at US’s claim to morality as it created more wars around the world and killed more people than the rest of the world combined. Only China can save the world from Western plight. Let’s stand up and be counted. We are the world. Resistance is futile.

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By: tatonga http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32403 Sat, 25 Sep 2010 04:35:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32403 To those that think that China’s infrastructure is behind those of Latin America, you need to visit China to educate yourself. I don’t see any Latin American country or any other country with the ability to build a 1000km railway to Tibet at 20,000ft let alone build it in 5 years. The pace and breadth of infrastructure development over the past 30 years there is unparalleled in man’s history and that is not a subjective opinion.

While I agree with the author’s viewpoint that China’s social development is lagging its economic and hard infrastructure development, it is no different than the path taken by developed countries that came before it, including the US. Anyone who has studied US history knows that the industrialization of the US in the 19th and early 20 th century saw the same exploitation of laborers (both slaves and immigrants from Asia and Europe), environment deterioration and lack of social development or net. There is reason why the Rockefellers, Carnegies, etc were nicknamed “Robber Barons” for their exploitation of resources. The US also struggled with wide spread political corruption during the same developmental period. Social development can only occur after society and government have been able to achieve a certain level of economic development to provide the basic necessities of life such as food and shelter. Once that has been achieved, the demands of the populace will then push for and achieve the social development of labor laws, environmental protection, social welfare and protection of the less fortunate. This is the same course taken in every developed country including the developed countries of China’s neighbors in Taiwan, Singapore, Japan, HK and Korea. I believe that we will see the social development of China evolving in the next 10 years as there is already a very large middle class there.

One last observation, we like to criticize the Chinese for their corruption. Having worked in a global setting for much of my career, the only difference I see between American corruption and Chinese corruption is that the US has managed to legalize/legitimize corruption while the Chinese are more upfront about their corruption. We legitimize bribery to politicians and call it campaign donations/financing and corporations are able to legally bribe politicians through lobbyists, trade associations and PACs who not only are able to contribute money but arrange for and pay for boondoggles ranging from ski trips to Super Bowl tickets for senators and congressmen. The Chinese and other emerging country politicians are just more upfront about the cost of doing business in their country, province or city.

We need to look at ourselves very carefully before making accusations and pointing fingers at the Chinese – we just might see our own reflection coming back to us.

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By: FucChina http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/08/18/what-china-needs-to-do-in-order-to-become-a-global-leader/#comment-32376 Fri, 24 Sep 2010 18:48:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=7798#comment-32376 Well stated Human-observer however illegetimate. The “Center of the World” has a political agenda and the people have an agenda.

The agenda are different. Each individual happy are not wants their team to win; no matter what the envdeaver. These a good things.

The national leadership has a different agenda and it is world domination. It is written.

It is not prejudice to state that the Government that only needed money to accomplish its political will over the rest of the world is still planning to do just that.

Surely, we don’t need to worry about them doing that until they get the money they need.

As my part to keep the little bit of land I have accumulated around the world I plan to just say no to anything that says “MADE IN CHINA, HONG KONG, or MACAU”.

I don’t need to help the Political asperations of people who pay less income tax than Bill Clinton’s foundation.

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