Comments on: Obama and the American dream in reverse http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: tapsearcher2 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-85736 Thu, 01 May 2014 01:52:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-85736 Free trade is still the major cause behind our economic crisis. The American Dream was reversed years ago when President Clinton, a Democrat controlled Congress, the Contract with America Republics to be and even Rush Limbaugh joined hands in the passing of the free trade agreements set up by the elder President Bush. Since then all our presidents have been globalist free traders and betrayed American workers since 1994. Free trade was a failure from the beginning. By 1994, more than 4000 U.S. factories were moved to Mexico alone. Soon after, President Clinton had to rush billions of dollars to Mexico to save the peso and the Mexican economy. It turned out to be the first stimulus bail out package and it went to a foreign nation. None of this stopped the flow of Mexican workers coming to American for the sake of survival. About ten Mexican bishops called free trade cultural death. President Bush followed President Clinton and his the economic mess behind his “shock and awe” wars. President Obama followed and had to bail out the the process to save the day. He bailed out big money, the financial communities, the banks, Wall Street and the “too big to fail” corporations while ignoring the suffering of all who lost everything due to free trade. Search under the title of Ray Tapajna topical editorial artwork titled – Clinton Years American Dream Reversed- and you will find more than 1.5 million references related to his art work, he first did in 1999. Later he added a rendition of it at http://ray-tapajna.artiswebsites.com titled Double Talk from the Land of is. See more of the story and more images at http://ray-tapajna-info-net/clinton and see many related links about the most massive dislocation of workers in U.S. history.

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By: Cyberian http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32524 Thu, 30 Sep 2010 20:38:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32524 To create the United States required the intellect and the painstaking debates of the Founding Fathers; to run it into the ground, only the crew of anti-intellectuals now ensconced in Washington.
“No thought, knowledge, or consistency is required in order to destroy,” writes Ayn Rand,
unremitting thought, enormous knowledge, and a ruthless consistency are required in order to achieve or create. Every error, evasion, or contradiction helps the goal of destruction; only reason and logic can advance the goal of construction. The negative requires an absence (ignorance, impotence, irrationality); the positive requires a presence, an existent (knowledge, efficacy, thought).
Evil men, though impotent, can disappoint, deceive, and betray the innocent; if they turn to crime, they can rob, enslave, and kill. This is one reason that man needs to practice the virtue of justice (to distinguish between the good and the evil). Peikoff, L. 1991

The Objectivism Research CD Rom: The Works of Ayn Rand [CD-ROM]. Available: http://www.amazon.com/Objectivism-Resear ch-CD-Rom-Works/dp/0971178704 Accessed on 2010/09/21

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By: magnets http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32470 Tue, 28 Sep 2010 22:39:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32470 During Obama’s Town Hall Meeting on CNBC recently, Obama used himself as an example that that the American Dream is still alive. Kind of silly since he is the exception that proves the rule.

“Getting Back To The American Dream” is a book on Amazon that goes into lots of detail. At least I assume it is on Amazon.

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By: mheld45 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32450 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 18:54:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32450 Your life is what you make it. If you give up like so many of you seem ready to do, your pessimistic visions will become reality. This country became what it is because Americans made their own dreams come true. The worst thing that can happen to us now is for people to go further down the entitlement road instead of working to earn their own futures.

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By: person28 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32448 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 17:29:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32448 has anyone here actually been to a third world country?

seriously we aren’t doing that bad.

any american on unemployment is doing better than any chinese factory worker.

china may seem like its doing so well bc the media is biased to make things seem better than they are. ours is biased to make things seem worse.

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By: Cyberian http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32447 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:42:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32447 “An honest man can see that America is now on the brink of chaos and even suicide. But without philosophy he cannot identify the opposite principles at work in our mixed economy or even know that the system is a mixture of opposites. If a man understands only that “Something is wrong,” he is vulnerable to those who clamor that what is wrong is that there is still too much capitalism in the country.
History, economics, journalism are not to be disparaged. But no amount of historical, economic, or journalistic data by themselves will change men’s mind on the issue of capitalism vs. statism.
The battle for the world is not a battle between two political ideals. It is a battle between two views of the nature of thought.
Capitalism is practical. Capitalism is moral. Capitalism is true. But men will never know it until they understand these three concepts, along with everything on which they hierarchically depend.
If men are ever to reach a world where man is free, free not by permission but on principle, they must first enact the cause of freedom: they must grasp and accept the intellectual base it requires.
If they do so, the next American Revolution—in whatever land it occurs—will be more than a historic interlude. Next time, it will have a chance of lasting.” (1991)

The Objectivism Research CD Rom: The Works of Ayn Rand [CD-ROM]. Available: http://www.amazon.com/Objectivism-Resear ch-CD-Rom-Works/dp/0971178704 Accessed on 2010/09/21

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By: AZ_Inde http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32446 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 16:28:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32446 You got to love the righties. A lot of vacant space between the ears and not much for facts. And since they’re OK everyone else should be just fine. We’re all just whiners. No matter that many of us lost a huge chunk of our retirement savings or lost our pensions. Our homes aren’t even worth what we paid for them and if you were lucky you still have a job although instead of doing the work of 3 people you’re now doing the work of 6 or 7.
Many of the same people who say we’re whiners seem to think it’s our fault that all this happened. We were living beyond our means. Really? What the hell does that mean?
Many of these same people are retired, having worked for the same company most of their lives. They have a pension, social security and Medicare and their homes are nearly paid for.
They have the gall to criticize us for wanting the same thing. Instead they cheer when companies send jobs overseas because some how American workers make way too much money for their poor employers. So they say that competing with someone who makes less than a dollar an hour is some how fair. Some large companies don’t even pay taxes yet these same people say it costs too much for businesses to stay here.
So it was OK for them to make a decent living but we’re not worthy? Oh, that’s right we just need to set our sights a little lower.

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By: drewbie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32445 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 15:14:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32445 Let me summarize this article.
1. The American Dream can be defined as “if you work hard, you can get ahead.”
2. Most of America seems to be having trouble getting ahead
3. You conclude the Dream may not actually be real.

Is it possible that people are having trouble with the second part because they aren’t doing the first part right? The credit boom was an easy way for people to get ahead *without* working hard. The American Dream was cheapened, and now that’s it’s been revalued, people seem to think it’s impossible.

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By: GLK http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32443 Mon, 27 Sep 2010 12:10:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32443 Americans who are tapping their keyboards pining about the death of the American dream sound like a bunch of spoiled brats. You never think you are rich enough but from a worldly perspective most Americans are off the scale. Yet, you have no idea because your wants have reached a saturation level while Politicians and Madison Ave insist you deserve lots, lots more. Most of you whiners have far more than those who came before you and an unimaginably cushy life compared to 75% of the world’s inhabitants. Yet life in America is simply intolerable and getting worse all the time. Take a look around America and learn what 3rd World really is, you are a far cry from anything remotely close to it. Americans need to wise up and realize the Arianna Huffington’s of the world are making their living by telling you the sky is falling. Don’t buy it.

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By: Zacs http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/09/24/obama-and-the-american-dream-in-reverse/#comment-32435 Sun, 26 Sep 2010 13:38:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8267#comment-32435 The American definition of poverty is quite unrealistic. In America, for 22K per year (2 adults, 2 children…and even a dog), a family can live in a safe structure, wear clean clothes every day, eat food (GASP…from WAL MART), work, and even pursue a hobby. Now, the housing might be “undesirable” in the American definition, but it will still be warm or cool depending on season, and dry, and provide necessary shelter. The clothing may not be fashionably acceptable, but it will provide the proper utility of clothing you. And though the food may not be Organic or sustainably farmed, or whatever else the rich liberals are all telling us we should eat, it will provide enough nutrition that one can live in excess of 70+ years with reasonable health (provided an individual makes healthy purchasing decisions, which, yes, one can actually do at Wal Mart). Now all one has to do is drive over the Mexican border and see people who are really poor; living in makeshift and unsafe shelter (cardboard boxes), eating non nutritious foods, and wearing rags. I lived the American definition of “poverty” for several years while I worked my way through college, and even found a good job during the so called “great recession,” but I suppose I was just “lucky.” Bernd, you and your misguided ilk need to stop whining. The American Dream is not for you or those that believe riches should fall into your lap just because you live and breathe.

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