Comments on: California vote and Mexican drug cartels http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: JonnyO77 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-33023 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 15:20:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-33023 How many violent bathtub-gin cartels, or DTOs are there currently in the United States? For that matter, how many “stoners” do we see passed out in doorways who’ve lost control of their bowels?

Alcohol prohibition brought organized crime to power. Legalizing alcohol removed most of organized crime’s presence in the industry. Criminals readjust, so any dip in violence will probably be short lived.

Regardless, the fact remains that compared to either tobacco or alcohol cannabis is safer. Additionally, hemp can be used for food, fuel and textiles. Swap it for cotton and we significantly reduce the use of pesticides and water.

Or, just keep it illegal. Keep throwing billions at the ONDCP, keep filling our courts with people arrested for a victimless crime, thus giving them criminal records. Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.

What say we drop the Puritan ethic, stop the nonsense, legalize, regulate, tax and move on to more important issues? Lord knows if the government can send someone off to war, allowing the vet to smoke for PTSD shouldn’t be a problem. Hypocrites.

]]>
By: jajagabor http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-33019 Mon, 18 Oct 2010 14:32:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-33019 I doubt legalizing pot would take arable land from food production, for cannibas grows very easily, without much fertilizer, and in poor soils. Remember, that is why it has always been known as “the weed.”

Another huge benefit of legalization is that finally, industrial hemp will also be grown here in the US, rather than having to import it. The wide array of products that are made, and can be made, from industrial hemp, are amazing, and growing it here will reduce costs!

]]>
By: jway http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32990 Sun, 17 Oct 2010 12:04:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32990 Prop 19 will send the federal government a clear message that support for the prohibition is OVER.

According to the ONDCP, more than 60% of the cartel money comes from selling marijuana in the U.S. Allowing gas stations and supermarkets to undercut cartel prices will eliminate the cartel’s marijuana incomes and end their incentive and ability to continue murdering innocent people.

We are not murderers and we don’t support murder – vote YES on Prop 19!

]]>
By: Gneiss http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32981 Sun, 17 Oct 2010 00:20:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32981 I do have one question…if we legalize pot, won’t that take even more arable land away from food agriculture? Look what corn-made fuel did, the price of corn shot up. Family farms, unable to compete with the huge agri. giants had to sell out. More unemployed folks moved into the cities. We had to import more to make up for the lack of local foodstuffs.
And, who owns “marijuana” now? Who owns the patents? I suspect that it has been gm’d by now. You folks are thinking about killing the cartels, but I think the situation is far more involved than that.
I’ll go back under my rock now.

]]>
By: IntoTheTardis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32972 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 17:12:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32972 It’s a truism to say that it’s easier for a 15 year old to buy marijuana behind his school than it is to buy a 6-pack of beer.(Actually, he couldn’t buy the beer at all. ID enforcement in stores is nearly universal.)

Here’s the perverse equation: marijuana is illegal and beer is not. How hard is it to see how futile criminalization of pot is?

Legalize it, get legitimate companies involved in production and distribution, set a fair unit price, tax it, set an age limit for purchase, and move on to more urgent matters. It’s really quite simple. No more moralizing, no more political posturing, free up law enforcement assets, close down half the prisons in the country, cut off a major revenue stream for the drug cartels. We’d be a better nation for it.

]]>
By: jgravelle http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32971 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 16:59:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32971 Conservatives should be (literally) “up in arms” when der Attorney General decides that the commerce clause allows him to declare war on California:
http://gravelle.us/content/atty-gen-decl ares-war-california

But who’s the bigger hypocrite in the marijuana issue:
– a liberal who demands that the federal government stay out of their health issues; or
– a conservative insistant that Washington impose its will upon the states?
http://www.dailyscoff.com/?p=2847

Legalization is a conservative position, and prohibition a progressive one.

BOTH sides of the aisle are schizophrenic on the matter…

-jjg

]]>
By: toolheadgroins http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32965 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 07:03:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32965 The most harmful experience a marijuana user will have is getting cuffed taken for a ride in a police car and verbally abused by the officers. The cartels and LEO go hand in hand, same agenda and initiative of making $. Legalizing marijuana takes away both of their core businesses, so that means less prisons, less violence, less profit for street criminals and this is not something the attorney general or his mexi mafia friends can handle.

]]>
By: mjs123 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32955 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 01:45:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32955 AGAIN! The Mexican government needs to take the war strategists approach. They need to cut the communications between the cartels, themselves and their customers. Without communications, there is no deal. Find out how they are communicating, then cut them completely. ZERO. Zilch.

Look for their transportations, then cut them completely. You have to get rid of their supports, tools and devices first, so they are disabled.

The purpose of the war on cartels is not to necessarily to kill them but to dismantle them. If you cut the communications between Pedro and Juan, they cannot coordinate and execute what they need to do. I mean if Mexico and the USA can’t even fight the cartels, how can they fight people smuggling in chemical weapons and biological weapons? They have to have the technology NOW to stop organized crime. You cannot give up on organized criminals because they will be around here forever. AGAIN, you have to have the strategy and TECHNOLOGY to dismantle organized CRIME today. For God’s sake, it is the 21st century. This is not the 1930s.

]]>
By: dr.chalfaro http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32951 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 00:25:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32951 Cannabis isn’t the main profittable business for Mexican Drug Cartels, but cocaine, heroine, weapons and even human traffic are now becoming part of their millionaire business.

]]>
By: SPCmahoney http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2010/10/15/california-vote-and-mexican-drug-cartels/#comment-32950 Sat, 16 Oct 2010 00:19:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=8437#comment-32950 Sorry about the grammar and poorly constructed sentences. I have a bit of Aspergers. I am in the Army, I do not smoke pot so please do not attribute my writing to drug use.

]]>