America needs a 21st century immigration policy

By Guest Contributor
May 19, 2011

From members of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness

President Obama’s recent focus on immigration highlights America’s “broken” system and its impact on our economy.  Fixing it requires Republicans and Democrats to show political courage and implement reforms to expand and strengthen the American economy. As members of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, we share his deep concern that our nation’s ability to compete economically is being damaged by the two parties battling over immigration laws and policies.

To some, the link between immigration reform and economic growth may be surprising.  To America’s most innovative industries, it is a link we know is fundamental.

The global economy means companies that drive U.S. job creation and economic growth are in a worldwide competition for talent.  While other countries are aggressively creating policies and incentives to attract a highly educated workforce, America has stagnated.  Once a magnet for the world’s top minds, America now faces a “reverse brain drain” and is no longer the first choice for many entrepreneurs creating new companies and jobs.

America needs a pro-growth immigration system that works for U.S. workers and employers in today’s global economy.  And we need it now.

First, we need to invest in homegrown talent that is educated and trained in the critical science, technology, engineering and math fields.  The U.S. education system must be improved, top to bottom, so that our most precious resource – our children – can compete in the increasingly global world economy.  Statistically our K-12 students are falling farther behind students in Korea, China and elsewhere in the physical sciences.   We can and must do better.

Second, the United States must allow employers to recruit and retain the world’s best brains.  We need a pro-growth based green card system to replace the current system that is plagued with years-long backlogs.   Waiting a decade or more during the H1B specialty visa and green card process demoralizes the next great American immigrant Nobel laureate.  More of them are returning to their home countries, like China and India, and driving new scientific breakthroughs and innovations there.

Third, we should staple a green card to every advanced diploma in critical fields to keep foreign-born students graduating from a U.S. university or college here in America, working for our future.  Today foreign nationals account for 50% of master’s degrees and 70% of Ph.D. degrees in electrical and electronic engineering in the U.S.  Yet, our antiquated immigration laws numerically limit the numbers of these individuals, by the thousands, from entering our country annually.  What kind of strategy is it to train the world’s best and brightest in our great universities – and then require them to leave?

America’s cutting-edge job creating industries – from computing to biotech – rely on immigrant scientists, engineers and entrepreneurs to remain competitive.   And as the President said in his speech, they are responsible for founding iconic companies like Google, Yahoo and eBay.

According to a Kauffman Foundation study, 40 million jobs have been created in the past 25 years by high growth U.S. entrepreneurial companies.  Of those, according to a Duke and UC Berkeley report, more than a quarter of U.S. technology and engineering businesses launched between 1995 and 2005 had a foreign-born founder.  And in 2005, companies created by immigrants produced $52 billion in sales and employed 450,000 workers, so getting this right is paramount.

Silicon Valley offers a good example of the impact foreign nationals make on U.S. innovation – and the arduous process companies must go through to retain them.  With 80% of Intel R&D conducted in the U.S., employing people with specific expertise in U.S. facilities is imperative.  Right now, there are software engineers in the UK, who cannot come to work in a U.S. Intel facility until visas are available in the next fiscal year.  And experts in next-generation mobile technology who must remain in Finland, rather than joining an Intel research and development team in the U.S.

At Facebook, Javier Olivan was instrumental in creating the technology that has translated the site into more than 70 languages, connecting people and businesses in the U.S. with markets around the world. Despite making a significant contribution to economic growth, Javier was lucky to be able to stay in this country. The year he applied for an H-1B visa, there were 150,000 applicants and only 65,000 visas.

U.S. employers must look ahead to coming talent shortages and plan their workforce needs years in advance.  They need policy certainty from Washington to know they will be able to hire the very best talent to meet the demands of the global innovation marketplace.  It is time for Congress and the Administration to pass bi-partisan immigration reforms.  In particular, taking quick action to attract and retain science and engineering talent is critical to the growth of our economy.

Let’s create a pro-growth immigration system that works. Our global competitiveness should not be a partisan debate, it should be a top American priority.

The writers, Steve Case, CEO of Revolution, John Doerr, Partner, Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers ; Paul Otellini, CEO of Intel Corporation, and Sheryl Sandberg, COO of Facebook, are members of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness.

 

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What we need in the US is to have some prioritization of others born in the usa by eliminating the now unnecessary and corrupted H1B visa program. Plenty of homegrown professionals collecting unemployment, and thousands of citizens graduates can not collect. Unemployment will get worse and worse as long as the government keeps the H1B program. There are plenty of intelligent and capable US citizens to fill all those jobs.

Posted by ITUsCitizens1st | Report as abusive

My comment is the sad reality of USA and if someone at Reuters does not approve it, is because you are trying to hide the reality to others. You’ll soon see the reality once you get displaced by an H1b visa worker!

What we need in the US is to have some prioritization of others born in the usa by eliminating the now unnecessary and corrupted H1B visa program. Plenty of homegrown professionals collecting unemployment, and thousands of citizens graduates can not collect. Unemployment will get worse and worse as long as the government keeps the H1B program. There are plenty of intelligent and capable US citizens to fill all those jobs.

Posted by ITUsCitizens1st | Report as abusive

The President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness has demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt that it is not up to the task of creating jobs in this country and this proposal is an example of the ivory tower thinking that has caused them to fail at their appointed task. The problem they were appointed to address is for jobs for unemployed Americans and they go off on a tangent advocating more jobs for foreigners as a solution to domestic jobs. While the average American my be behind other nations our education system still produces more physical science majors than the nation has jobs for. Current workers who when they were young were very good in the physical sciences are unemployed. There is no evidence of a shortage of workers in this country. If there were wages would be going up. Instead they are declining. A sign of a surplus.

Every time US industry wants more cheap foreign labor they allege a shortage. They lay off Americans and hire foreigners. Steve Case, John Doerr, Paul Otellini, and Sheryl Sandberg should explain why their companies have laid off so many Americans and replaced them with H-1Bs that they pay less if there is a shortage.

American innovation from foreigners is over stated. Most of the companies foreigners form are front organizations that package up work to be outsourced. They do not create jobs they destroy jobs. Google was started by Larry Page, born in Michigan, educated at Stanford and Sergey Brin, born in Moscow, raised in the USA since age 6, post graduate work at Stanford. Yahoo was started by David Filo born in Wisconsin, educated at Stanford and Jerry Yang, born in Taipei, raised in San Jose since age 8, educated in the USA at Stanford. eBay was founded by Pierre Omidyar born in Paris France, raised in Washington DC, USA since age 6 and educated at Tufts University. The case for H-1B expansion is weak.

President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness is composed of people who have sent more jobs offshore than they have created here. This proposal is consistent with that.

Posted by n6532l | Report as abusive

This opinion piece appears to be written by a group of economic elites that want an even bigger economic subsidy in the form of more H-1B Visas, despite the harm that employer abuse of this controversial program has caused to American competitiveness.

Nobel Economics laureate and free-market advocate Milton Friedman correctly called the H1-B Visa a “government subsidy” in a 2002 article that may be readily located via a search of the article’s title. “H-1B Is Just Another Gov’t. Subsidy” Quoting from the article, …..”There is no doubt,” he says, “that the [H-1B] program is a benefit to their employers, enabling them to get workers at a lower wage, and to that extent, it is a subsidy.”
From free-market thinker Friedman, those are devastating words. The H-1B program is a subsidy that distorts the job market for IT talent……

The reason that the H-1B Visa program allows lower wages is the huge loopholes that were designed into the program by employer interests when they sneaked this legislation through by the barest of margins in 1990. The H-1B visa is conditioned on the immigrant being continuously employed by a specific employer, effectively indenturing the immigrant to the sponsoring employer.

While employer interests want us to imagine that the H-1B Visa program is bringing the next Einstein, there is a separate “O” Visa classification for that purpose. However, O Visa holders are not tied to a specific employer, which makes them much less desirable from a profit-enhancement perspective.

The next point is how already bloated the H-1B and follow-on Green Card system is. The impact is cumulative, with several million H-1B Visa admissions during the past two decades. The realistic scenario is that an experienced American worker is required to train their foreign replacement as a condition of receiving their meager outplacement benefit. Then, the American discovers that they are then forced to work at a much lower-level job just to pay for the necessaries of life. Thus, the H-1B Visa program is causing a historically unprecedented “internal brain drain” as millions of experienced U.S. citizen technical professionals are shunted into low-level jobs, rather than the careers that they held for a few years. Professor Norm Matloff recently discussed this topic at the Georgetown University Law School. The PDF of his presentation is available via a search of the three terms “Norm Matloff” Georgetown “best and brightest” – select the third link for his PDF. To understand the bloated numbers of immigrants and the dimensions of the consequent internal brain drain, search for my 2007 article, “The Greedy Gates Immigration Gambit.” Please select the more comprehensive PDF version of my article. You will also learn about the corrupt roots of the controversial program and its expansion.

Posted by DrGeneNelson | Report as abusive

Kamal Nath, then Commerce Minister of India accurately labeled the H-1B Visa the “Outsourcing Visa” in a 15 April 2007 New York Times article, “Parsing the truths about visas for tech workers.”

Thus, expansion of the H1-B Visa program will hasten offshoring of high value added jobs from the U.S. This is not the kind of “change” that Presidential candidate Obama highlighted during his campaign.

It would be far better to dismantle this harmful visa program that pits the world’s poor against the American middle class. As my previous post noted, H-1B is actually corporate welfare.

Posted by DrGeneNelson | Report as abusive

Import foreign doctors first into the US and break the doctor monopoly. This will increase doctor availability and overall medical costs.

Posted by 29ma | Report as abusive

If it weren’t so sad that so many Americans have lost our jobs, homes, life savings, medical insurance and more thanks to corporate visa fraud and abuse – the “facts” the author cites to defend the foreign invasion of US companies would be laughable… Sadly, it is not. It is unconscionable that the US government, influenced by corporate campaign donors, not real people, is so tone deaf or blind to believe that adding even more jobs for more immigrants when USA has 9% unemployment is reckless, irresponsible, and stupid. It is about the economy – stupid – not immigration and the program is not working. Immigration fraud and abuse make the Mafia look lily white and why the Feds are not hauling these fraudsters into jail is shocking. According to GAO audits, almost 25% H-1b applications are fraudulent… In addition, official documents from the US Embassy in India just published on Wikileaks show that 77% visa are FRAUDULENT….

Seems that the immigration mafia borrows a page from the George Bush playbook – keep repeating the same lies over, and over, and over, and over and people think they are the truth… They are not.

And, claims that Google, etc. were created by foreign immigrants are silly – Brin was a US citizen who came to the US as a young child… Please, enough with the lies.
Let’s look at how successful foreign entrepreneurs are contributing to the American economy, say in Redmond WA. Did you know that latest US Census shows that 33% of Redmond residents are non-citizens, under 30, from South Asia, primarily India and arrived in the US in the last 5 years. Most of these new immigrants work for Indian body shops … Yes, so India’s body shops do in fact create 6 jobs for every person hired – BUT dig deeper these 6 people are not American citizens, they are foreign citizens with alphabet soup work and tourist visas. My guess about the 6 US jobs created from the hostile foreign takeover of the USA
1. Immigration lawyers
2. Foreclosure bankers
3. Realtors dumping foreclosures and renting remainder to newly arrived immigrants
4. Psychiatrists
5. Unemployment office staffer
6. Morticians

I challenge everyone to prove me wrong. Show me any company who has created 6 jobs for US citizens that pay living wages – full time, with benefits.

Posted by bfjdilbert | Report as abusive

I graduated 23 years ago with a bachelor’s degree in Computer Science from a leading U.S. university with a world class computer science and engineering program. I also have an MBA from a leading U.S. business school. I developed a 23 year information technology career that I am proud of. However I and many of my collegues are growing weary of competing with foreign workers with H1-B’s who have terrible language skills, and the range of compentency goes from poor to exceptional. They are no more or no less skilled than their U.S. counterparts. My monetary compensation is less in nominal terms today than 5 years ago. Our ability to move from one workplace to another is greatly impaired. There is no shortage of qualified technical workers in the U.S.
I can count 12 of my experienced collegues leaving the IT field in the last 6 years to pursue careers in other fields. The reason is stagnant income. That does not suggest to me a shortage. I am developing a small business out of my home part time that I intend to take full time. It is outside the IT industry. My 23 years of experience in the IT field for the financial industry will be lost. I have expertise in developing and implementing systems that enables firms to be compliant with Federal and state regulations. This is not something you can teach overnight to a 22 year old who just arrived from India.
Someday, business in this country will come to realize the mistake they are making with regard to this H1-B nonsense. By then it will be too late.

Posted by bobfox | Report as abusive

These geniuses, aka members of the President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness, would have you believe we will shrivel and die as an economic power unless we open our doors wide to the huddled tech workers from abroad.
This is sheer nonsense. First,the U.S. has 311 million people. This provides a gargantuan talent pool. Next, it has always been the economic imperative of business to replace older workers with cheaper, younger ones. The H-1B program is a Washington sanctioned criminal act against American workers.
Key things to ponder: wages for tech workers has not risen; universities abound in post-doc programs where recent PhD grads bide their time praying for a real job. How does any of this suggest a shortage?

Posted by WandaB | Report as abusive

For ten years there has been only one growth industry in the U.S. — brokering the import of third-worlders to replace U.S. workers and brokering the export of jobs of U.S. workers to the third world. Oh, and the cottage industry of laying down smokescreen like the above article.

Posted by 1stWorld3rd | Report as abusive

This study makes a compelling case for offering more green cards to: (1)those who lead companies to greatness and (2) those who start new companies that create jobs for Americans. If Intel and the executives of other companies involved in this study are having difficult competing, might it be possible that it is because of their management, not those at the bottom of the pyramid? After all the senior executives are paid huge salaries and those at the bottom are not because they are so irrelevant to the competitiveness of these companies. Consequently, our government should issue green cards for these companies to use in hiring competent CEOs and COBs. In addition, it is reasonable to issue a green card to any foreigner who is willing to start a new company that hires US citizens. This study convinced me that our government needs to be much more strategic in issuing green cards and not pass these out to the irrelevant masses who flounder at the bottom of the corporate pyramid.

Posted by ProfGo | Report as abusive

With the hundreds of thousands of unemployed software engineers in the US, the continuation of the H-1B program is a cruel joke. Any kid starting college that is smart enough to be an engineer is also smart enough to not waste a fortune and 4 years of his life pursuing an engineering degree that he cannot get a job with.

One thing for sure is that the US economy will never recover until A) H-1B Visas are banned; B) Tariffs are imposed on all imported goods from china, india, etc..

Posted by DHawkins | Report as abusive

The inventor of the microprocessor, the innovation that saved Intel from its spiraling down business in memories at a time Intel was basically operating a chip foundry to keep its nose above water was Dr. Marcian Edward “Ted” Hoff, Jr. He was born October 28, 1937, at Rochester, New York, which is in the USA. He received a BSEE (1958) from RPI in Troy, NY, and a MS (1959) and Ph.D. (1962) in electrical engineering from Stanford University. The two principal co-founders of Intel, Bob Noyce and Gordon Moore, were also born in the USA.

Posted by ProfGo | Report as abusive

Hmmmm.

Let’s see–the first point of the committee is “to invest in homegrown talent that is educated and trained in the critical science, technology, engineering and math fields.” I assume here that “homegrown” means “US citizen,” but the panel may have had something different in mind.

Here’s what expert Norm Matloff says on the topic: “the National Science Foundation, a key government agency, actually advocated the use of the H-1B program as a means of holding down PhD salaries, by flooding the job market with foreign students. The NSF added that the stagnation of salaries would push domestic students away from PhD study, which is exactly what has happened.”

So…the government prevented significant growth in tech worker salaries by importing 50 – 100K H1-B workers per year, and so intelligent US students headed into law or business since wages there are still unhindered by importation of foreign labor, at least so far….

It seems then that the solution to the panel’s first point is to eliminate H1-B’s as a source of cheap labor for companies like Revolution, Intel, Facebook, and the portfolio companies of KP, and let salaries rise to market levels.

Yet somehow, strangely, this blue-ribbon panel finds the need for bringing in more, not fewer, H1-B workers. My head is still trying to get at the logic in this conclusion.

Lastly, there is no tech labor shortage, and there never was. There is, however, a shortage of corporations with sufficient scruples to hire experienced domestic tech workers at fair market wages. To see the truth on this situation, go to
http://heather.cs.ucdavis.edu/h1b.html

The truth shall set you free, and shall also get betraying rascals voted out of office and replaced by people who actually represent their real constituencies.

Posted by Paul_in_SV | Report as abusive

As an American high-tech worker, your comments cause me great concern. It is very disappointing that you are so willing to import even more foreign workers when so many American workers cannot find a job.

Rochester Institute of Technology Professor Ron Hira’s recent Congressional testimony caught the attention of the New York Times, which quoted Hira’s claim that legal loopholes in guestworker programs like the H-1B and L-1 visa programs enabled employers to “to bring in cheaper foreign workers, with ordinary skills, who directly substitute for, rather than complement, workers in America.” The Times went on to report that “four of the five biggest users of [the H-1b program] from 2007 and 2009 were Indian outsourcing companies” who – between the four of them alone – brought 22,766 guest workers into the U.S. during the height of the recession.

Don’t you find this outrageous? Countless companies are abusing our visa programs to bring in cheap labor and keep Americans jobless. There is no shortage of outstanding American talent – there is only a shortage of American companies truly concerned about America.

Posted by MEF | Report as abusive

America already produces more American STEM grads than it has ever generated jobs for. All that keeping foreign students does is increase competition for our citizen students for scarce jobs. Our grads, with their load of student debt, have to move back home and wait tables while foreign students grab jobs here.

The entire intent of the student visa was for them to be educated here, then to back to help their own countries. Their countries have staggering problems and need them badly. It is a form of theft for America to attract and steal these gifted young people who are needed at home. And, our gifted young people need jobs badly!

Posted by Dolores1982 | Report as abusive

The elite panelists that President Obama has chosen to staff his Council on Jobs and Competitiveness appear to have flunked their Economics 101 class. The larger the labor pool available, the lower the salaries is a principle they should have come away with. It is that lower salary that attracts corporations the most, because judging talent upfront is a tough process.

Each job that goes to an H1b visa holder is one less job available to citizens. The immediate benefit to the organizations that hire immigrants is that the employees come in younger, and can be paid less, as older, more expensive American workers are displaced.

From the perspective of a scientist recently employed by one of the pre-eminent biomedical research institutions, I can tell you that the following comment by the panel members is laughable:

“First, we need to invest in homegrown talent that is educated and trained in the critical science, technology, engineering and math fields. The U.S. education system must be improved, top to bottom, so that our most precious resource – our children – can compete in the increasingly global world economy. Statistically our K-12 students are falling farther behind students in Korea, China and elsewhere in the physical sciences. We can and must do better.”

The American born, American trained scientists I have worked with are superb. The statistics the panelists cite are from countries with school systems that don’t encourage all to obtain academic high school diplomas. In Australia, for example, they have a two track system before high school, one for those destined for the trades and the other for professionals. The Australian scores for physical sciences would not include those from students heading for blue-collar jobs.

The most effective way to encourage more of the best and brightest American citizens to study science is to give them a viable career path in scientific fields. And for that, we need some protection from an unlimited supply of labor.

And as for the entrepreneurial issue, I dare say that the main reason that entrepreneurs are looking to start businesses in other countries besides the USA is that they need employed people to buy their product, and the US is doing a very poor job of employing its middle class right now. Salaries may still be fairly high in the U.S. as compared to India, or China, but the earning power of the middle class in those countries is growing as ours declines.

Posted by DrChrisMiller | Report as abusive

An increase in the supply of workers drives down wages. This 18 May 2011 story from the New York Times validates that observation. (Please review the graphic for this article.) Still, economic elites are calling for even greater gluts via proposed H-1B Visa expansions to drive down high-skilled career wages further to fatten their profit margins.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/19/busine ss/economy/19grads.html

Many With New College Degree Find the Job Market Humbling

By CATHERINE RAMPELL
Published: May 18, 2011

The individual stories are familiar. The chemistry major tending bar. The classics major answering phones. The Italian studies major sweeping aisles at Wal-Mart.

Now evidence is emerging that the damage wrought by the sour economy is more widespread than just a few careers led astray or postponed. Even for college graduates — the people who were most protected from the slings and arrows of recession — the outlook is rather bleak.

Employment rates for new college graduates have fallen sharply in the last two years, as have starting salaries for those who can find work. What’s more, only half of the jobs landed by these new graduates even require a college degree, reviving debates about whether higher education is “worth it” after all…..

Posted by DrGeneNelson | Report as abusive

Maybe the President’s council will recommend solving the housing downturn by having more real estate agents. Makes about as much sense.

Encouraging the next generation of Americans in STEM fields and importing unlimited numbers of foreigners are mutually exclusive goals.

Posted by ReutersCmtr | Report as abusive

Those who support importing workers for high-tech routinely state such is needed because US citizens cannot handle the topic material. And they add that all is not lost because we can retrain the stupid US citizens. But, no one ever asks the following question. What are the topics that the stupid US citizens are so lacking in? I am a professor of engineering. Just tell me what those topics are and I will immediately begin to train the US citizen students pumped through our university in those topics so that they will not be replaced someday by an imported worker. The truth is that it does not matter what topics I train the US citizen students in. In fact, US citizens could know everything there is to know about engineering and high-tech and they would still be replaced by foreign imports… because it is about money and more compliant workers.

Posted by mrright | Report as abusive

I’ve worked in the semiconductor research field for many years, at both a leading university and a large corporation. Over the last three decades there has been a shift away from American students and workers to foreign born. I have watched the most highly qualified, top American PhD graduates find it difficult to get a good position, leaving for places like Singapore. The makeup of PhD students is now Chinese, Indian, Korean, but only a small percentage American.

The salaries have declined along with the influx of cheap foreigners, whose highest priority is being being paid with a green card: “Whatever I can get in the US, I’ll take.”

Americans already have citizenship and therefore cannot be quite as easily abused, choosing to get out of the field after they’ve experienced how disposable they are.

Similarly, when immigrants become established and expect more pay and recognition, they’re also let go in favor of the millions of newer, cheaper, and more easily abused fresh foreigner, who are always available. These are not the world’s “best and brightest,” and are only here because the industry chews people up and spits them out at a high rate.

How can we ask our own best and brightest to go into a situation like this?

Posted by rscottking | Report as abusive

What a bunch of garbage. Millions of skilled American workers looking for a job and we need more immigrant workers? H1-B’s are gifted? For the most part they are not any better or worse than native born workers and are here only to drive wages down.

Mr. Obama, I am a Democrat and I voted for you but I will not again. You have shown here that you are 100% bought off by the corporate scumbags who have destroyed this country!

Posted by Thisisnonsense2 | Report as abusive

Representative Dana Rohrabacher of California said the following during the October 3, 2000 debate in the House debate on the H1-B visa. He seems to have gotten it mostly right:

Mr. ROHRABACHER.

Mr. Speaker,

I rise in strong opposition to this legislation. This legislation is nothing more than a betrayal of American working people. Why should we bring in 240,000 foreigners in order to depress the wages in the United States of America ? That is exactly what we are talking about here.

NO SHORTAGE OF AMERICAN WORKERS

There are enough Americans to do these jobs. The only thing that is lacking is the pay levels and the training. So instead of requiring our companies to train people to do these high-tech jobs who are unemployed now, like laid-off aerospace industries, or to pay a little bit more money to attract our kids coming out of school, no, instead we are going to bring in 240,000 foreigners to keep wages low.

NOT A FREE ENTERPRISE SOLUTION

In times of prosperity if you believe in free enterprise, that is when wages are supposed to go up. But if we bring in 240,000 foreigners to take these good, high-paying tech jobs, those high-paying jobs which are now $60,000 that should go to 70 or $80,000 will stay at that level. What this bill does is, number one, betray our own people who are out of work who need that training, need those jobs, that are 50 years old; but the Bill Gates billionaires of the world would rather bring in foreigners and not have to pay for the training and not have to pay perhaps for the health benefits of someone who is a lot younger.

SHOULD NOT SUBSIDIZE BILLIONAIRE HIGH_TECH COMPANIES

We should not be subsidizing these billionaire high-tech companies and these billionaires who have made money up in the Silicon Valley .

INCENTIVE FOR YOUNG PEOPLE

They should pay their workers more money, they should train them and, yes, let us have an incentive for more of our young people to go into these high-tech companies and high-tech skill areas.

CONSEQUENCES OF LOW WAGES

If we keep wages low, our students are not going to be attracted to these hightech areas. But if we let wages increase as the market would suggest, we will have our students go in that direction to try to get those jobs.

BELIEVE IN THE FREE MARKET

For someone who believes in the market and supposedly the Republicans believe in the market, this bill is a betrayal of our principles but a betrayal of America’s working people. Let us not bring in 240,000 foreigners to take jobs that could be done by Americans if they had the training and the pay levels to get those jobs.

Posted by n6532l | Report as abusive

So much emotion and ignorance here. Ask yourself these questions and THINK rationally before you spew forth more vitriol.

- Intel, Microsoft, Facebook: These are the most profitable companies in the world. Why would they hire “cheap”, inferior talent and try to save a few bucks in the short term? Capitalism economy dictates that they find the best tradeoff between cost and quality which they do. It is not rational to reject a “well-qualified American-born” engineer for a “garbage H1-B” to save say 10-20K/year.

- Do you know how much of a hassle and expense it is for the company to hire a H1-B and go through the GC process? Why do these companies do it if they could find qualified “American-born” engineers?

- H1-Bs are not McJobs. Most earn 6 figure incomes and pay taxes and SS/Medicare. Send them back, the job goes back with them (“outsourced”) and poof goes the tax revenue and their spending in the US. You really want that in this economic climate, don’t you?

- Most American kids lack the aptitude for Math/Science and think it is dorky. The reason most kids don’t go into engineering is that it is hard. It is not dictated by the thought of job prospects after graduation and competition with H1-Bs. What freshman has even heard of a H1-B?

I could go on but most of what I said would probably fall on deaf ears of the sourpusses above.

“white Americans, what?
nothing better to do?
why don’t you kick yourself out
you’re an immigrant too”

-The White Stripes

Posted by mister_x | Report as abusive

So with a real unemployment rate hovering around 24% (more than at any time since the Great Depression) President’s Council on Jobs and Competitiveness comes up with the ingenius idea of bringing in even more Indians on the H1b visa to replace “stupid, unskilled” US citizens.

What can you say except treachery?

Obama has shown that he has sold out the American people to moneyed interests every bit as much as any other politician.
He will not be getting my vote.
Nor will any Republican.

I am a computer science major with over 13 years experience but corporations like Microsoft would much prefer to hire a 24 year old Indian right out of college from India over me !
They and all those other corporations won’t even respond to my resume. Yet the President’s Council’s only imperative is to allow these corporations to hire even more of them?

Unreal !

Posted by Multi123 | Report as abusive