Comments on: The parents: the force that can’t be beat http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: No.37 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36862 Mon, 29 Aug 2011 19:25:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36862 Its interesting to see Klein claim that “facts are stubborn things” and then provide an entire article void of any relevant statistics. How about the facts that Klein’s biggest success was simply closing down schools. He always states how he closed down so many failing schools yet he never states how many schools he turned into higher performing schools. It is like a basketball player lauding how many shots he took during a game while not telling people how many of those shots he actually made. It also should be noted that Fenty in Washington was voted out by the people, that became upset with his education policies that led to further segregation of schools and communities. Over Fenty’s and Rhee’s tenure the gap between the wealthy and the poor and white and black students on standardized tests actually increased. How funny this fact is rarely discussed on TV. (It is absurd that Klein actually thinks the media is backing unions in this whole debate, simply watching five minutes of NBC’s Education Nation or CNN’s reports would prove otherwise). It is also funny that Klein forgot to mention his own and Rhee’s testing controversies. And finally unions do have a conflict of interest in the debate but so do Klein and reformers who make millions from these “reform” movements. Klein gets book deals, and now works in the private sector for his “reform” movements while at the same time gets to be labeled as this altruistic individual trying to “save our children.” Others like him (Rhee, Canada) also receive upper 6-7 digit salaries, while parading in front of cameras. This is the same conflict of interest as the unions, however, somehow these few individuals are louder and more vocal on tv and in the news than the all the teachers and unions.

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By: DMaxMJ http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36768 Fri, 26 Aug 2011 10:12:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36768 Mr. Kleine, the teacher is on the front line, there’s no denying it. But why the absolute denial of any other factor in the “battle” to educate children? More to the point, why the unconditional support of reformers comfortable in criticizing with such a narrow scope? It would be one thing if the out front reformers were experienced teachers saying “here are the things teaching real kids in real classrooms has shown me…” but this is not the case. It would be another if these reformers said “our teachers sacrifice a lot to meet ever increasing demands and do what they can for students- even our most challenging. Now is the time to join them in reforming education.” This is not the approach taken. Reformers, many with no significant experience in a classroom,are allowed credibility they haven’t earned. Their arguments have assumed weight they don’t deserve. Teachers not only work together to meet ever changing and often unfunded mandates from above, they give their hearts,souls and spend some of their own wages to make the most needy feel cared for,safe,valued and capable. While outside of school the “free market” rages on, victimizing most families and imposing great negative influence,teachers still push students to prepare them for the future. The reformers do not mention the societal differences between America and the countries we supposedly compare poorly to. They don’t mention the well paid,qualified and unionized teaching forces that prepare kids to become adults in more equitable societies. It is easier to point at schools and teachers than have their backs, pitch in and join in turning eager young kids into capable citizens. Teachers have always stepped forward, voulunteering to climb that hill and take the offensive. We should look at who has stepped back,looked away and weaseled out of their responsibilities.

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By: hw1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36755 Thu, 25 Aug 2011 18:27:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36755 Why is there this assumption that Charter schools are better for kids? Studies show that for the most part, charters perform no better than regular public schools.

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By: teacherkh http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36697 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 16:27:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36697 Hearing from Joel Klein, one of education’s most powerful leaders that have led our schools into darkness employing White Chalk Crime, an organized version of white collar crime special for education, we now know what is at the heart of the battle for our schools. It is winning over the parents. I figured that out years ago and wrote a book explaining exactly what is going on: White Chalk Crime: The REAL Reason Schools Fail. However, excellent teachers have no voice in this GAME and believe me it is a GAME. Thus, few will ever read my book. I realized that and have worked hard to get an investigative reporter or Oprah to use the power they have that teachers do not have to get the truth out there and I will keep trying as our children and our society is the loser if parents don’t figure this out. Listening to propaganda spewed by Joel Klein, the master of trashing quality teachers while turning education into a convenient business opportunity is sickening. If parents really knew that what these White Chalk Criminals are creating is institutionalized child abuse, they would not be on their side! Granted the unions have failed the parents too. But what parents don’t know is they are also failing the teachers. Unions are not the teachers. The excellent, professional, caring teachers are silenced by unions as well as the Joel Klein’s. Until you hear from us expect dismal results in our schools.

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By: Lambick http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36661 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 08:18:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36661 @74LS08

I don’t think that “90% unionized” is correct, neither that unions and education can be rolled up into one in Europe: it’s still a very disparate region. What may play a part, however, is the propensity of Anglo-Saxons who are able to pay for it, to avoid problems in education with (highly) paid private schools. And leave unreasonable unions and administrators to the poor.

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By: 74LS08 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36655 Wed, 24 Aug 2011 04:54:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36655 What about all the European countries that beat US students year after year in all those achievement tests??
European countries work force is 90% unionized. How do you explain that Mr. Kline??
My humble opinion is that all our education woes are due to the fact that our society values $$$ over knowledge, plus dumb populous which was never thought critical thinking skills is a better consumer of the crap that’s advertised on Fox TV channels and way easier to control.

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By: JANEDOENYC http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36641 Tue, 23 Aug 2011 22:42:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36641 The force of the parents cannot be beat, but as Joel Klein pointed out, the unions have infiltrated many parent organizations and coddle the leadership to earn their support and voice on union issues. While many of these issues will directly impact the classroom and students, there are so many areas that are targeted for the benefit of the unions. Teacher quality- pushback; Student schedules-pushback; Education quality- pushback: Parent involvement-pushback; Organization input- pushback. There is no mystery to how education should and could be delivered to benefit the students and the cohorts most vulnerable for failure and inability to engage- parents are the primary educators and are needed to partner with the schools and teachers to best support our students. The contracts with the teachers union and principals union prevent many “poor” workers from being removed or relocated and it is to the detriment of our kids. Parents are very well aware of the problems, but the administration and the union are organized and parent groups are not as well organized. We need change and it is not going to happen until the services provided are devised towards the needs of the students, the receivers of the education services.

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By: JosephMoses http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36561 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 22:50:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36561 Mr. Klein, you are the man famous for playing games on a Blackberry while parents screamed for your attention. You are a paragon of arrogance and insensitivity, and your association with your new bosses, the Murdochs, seems to have made you even worse. Shame on you for even considering to write an article entitled “The parents: the force that can’t be beat.” In your tenure as Chancellor, you proved that parents don’t need to beat, they can just be ignored.

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By: tedmlewis http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36555 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 21:13:02 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36555 Joel Klein presided over the alienation and outrage of NYC public school parents, who found that they lacked any real education representation; a tremendous testing scandal during which all of his alleged test score gains were shown to be the result of “dumbing down” tests; and the increasing segregation of the NYC school system. Given his abject failure, he entirely lacks credibility. Instead, we should view his “thumbs up” as a stygmatizing mark.

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By: LeonieHaimson http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/22/the-parents-the-force-that-cant-be-beat/#comment-36551 Mon, 22 Aug 2011 20:38:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=9983#comment-36551 What hypocrisy! Joel Klein ignored the priorities of parents his entire 8 yrs in office; he acted as though we either didn’t exist or were too stupid to have any input when it came to our kids’ education.

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