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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/23/our-disturbing-relationship-with-gaddafi/comment-page-1/#comment-36762</link>
		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Aug 2011 21:53:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks nyman, Solar energy isn&#039;t as practical for the northern hemisphere but geo-thermal potential is far more prevalent. The states west of Kansas from Mexico to Canada are all potential sites. The plants are models of simplicity without carbon emissions or toxic waste. It seems the only difficulty is drilling deep enough with a large enough diameter pipe. But fossil fuels need not be outlawed as fuels. Some places would always need it. Many places and developing countries could and are developing other power sources.  

You can find maps online charting global geothermal potential. 

But it&#039;s easy to tell why Qaddafi was a tyrant with off than on again and than off again popularity. Libya had enormous cash reserves and the largest oil deposits in Africa. This country and Europe both need cheap oil and will get it and control it any way they can.  The rest is a matter of propagandizing their countries into accepting the new political reality. It will be easy to get consensus. All the powers that be have to do, is raise the price at the pumps and the countries will fall over themselves to get to even more benighted brethren who &#039;need out help&quot;. 

Any country with massive mineral wealth is a potential target for the new global concern. And we will all learn to accept the new morality ‘or else’. 

We just have to rescue the Saudi&#039;s the UAE from their ruling dynasts. After all - It wouldn&#039;t be hard to sell that idea at all - especially of overseas development contracts are an avenue for business as usual. And the  market will approve with every new &quot;victory&#039; until another one is needed.  

JUST WATCH. That&#039;s all we have to do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks nyman, Solar energy isn&#8217;t as practical for the northern hemisphere but geo-thermal potential is far more prevalent. The states west of Kansas from Mexico to Canada are all potential sites. The plants are models of simplicity without carbon emissions or toxic waste. It seems the only difficulty is drilling deep enough with a large enough diameter pipe. But fossil fuels need not be outlawed as fuels. Some places would always need it. Many places and developing countries could and are developing other power sources.  </p>
<p>You can find maps online charting global geothermal potential. </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s easy to tell why Qaddafi was a tyrant with off than on again and than off again popularity. Libya had enormous cash reserves and the largest oil deposits in Africa. This country and Europe both need cheap oil and will get it and control it any way they can.  The rest is a matter of propagandizing their countries into accepting the new political reality. It will be easy to get consensus. All the powers that be have to do, is raise the price at the pumps and the countries will fall over themselves to get to even more benighted brethren who &#8216;need out help&#8221;. </p>
<p>Any country with massive mineral wealth is a potential target for the new global concern. And we will all learn to accept the new morality ‘or else’. </p>
<p>We just have to rescue the Saudi&#8217;s the UAE from their ruling dynasts. After all &#8211; It wouldn&#8217;t be hard to sell that idea at all &#8211; especially of overseas development contracts are an avenue for business as usual. And the  market will approve with every new &#8220;victory&#8217; until another one is needed.  </p>
<p>JUST WATCH. That&#8217;s all we have to do.</p>
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		<title>By: nyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>nyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 18:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Paintcan - took a while - but - spot on!!  seems our society neve gets to the &quot;bones&quot; of a problem.  I look up and see the sun - literally - burning - at no cost to anyone - burning - day after day, after day, after day . . .  Guess it is more fun to create sophisticated weapons to drain blood, limb and life from the body of anyone who dares to stand in the path leading to highly polluting, highly profitable, cheap(?) oil.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paintcan &#8211; took a while &#8211; but &#8211; spot on!!  seems our society neve gets to the &#8220;bones&#8221; of a problem.  I look up and see the sun &#8211; literally &#8211; burning &#8211; at no cost to anyone &#8211; burning &#8211; day after day, after day, after day . . .  Guess it is more fun to create sophisticated weapons to drain blood, limb and life from the body of anyone who dares to stand in the path leading to highly polluting, highly profitable, cheap(?) oil.</p>
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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:55:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There&#039;s a mistake in the last paragraph. I meant to write &quot;that European cities look like they are being constructed around public transportation lines&quot; In other words: most of the world had more sense. 

And I want to add, that for decades European countries put a very high tax on gasoline. I don&#039;t know for sure, but I think most countries except the ME, have taxed gasoline heavily. 

If analysts totaled all the costs of extensive road and highway networks, purchase price and repair bills, gasoline costs, taxes and insurance costs, prison time and lost productivity for DUI and other auto related legal issues, a system that is so ubiquitous it isn&#039;t possible in most suburban areas to walk to a convenient store to get a few groceries, and then the costs of fighting in expensive conflicts that masquerade as &quot;freedom fighting&quot; to ensure that it can control in same way the costs of oil, the automobile is probably the single biggest waste of money and time ever invented.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There&#8217;s a mistake in the last paragraph. I meant to write &#8220;that European cities look like they are being constructed around public transportation lines&#8221; In other words: most of the world had more sense. </p>
<p>And I want to add, that for decades European countries put a very high tax on gasoline. I don&#8217;t know for sure, but I think most countries except the ME, have taxed gasoline heavily. </p>
<p>If analysts totaled all the costs of extensive road and highway networks, purchase price and repair bills, gasoline costs, taxes and insurance costs, prison time and lost productivity for DUI and other auto related legal issues, a system that is so ubiquitous it isn&#8217;t possible in most suburban areas to walk to a convenient store to get a few groceries, and then the costs of fighting in expensive conflicts that masquerade as &#8220;freedom fighting&#8221; to ensure that it can control in same way the costs of oil, the automobile is probably the single biggest waste of money and time ever invented.</p>
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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
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		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the last note got sent accidentally. 

The problem is - there is no fix for suburban sprawl. It&#039;s too diffuse and too expensive to service with adequate alternative transportation and many of the old rail lines are gone and their ROW&#039;s are being eaten by encroachment by abutters or put to alternate uses like bicycle and hiking paths. The sprawl itself usually kills off any local agriculture so the urban areas can&#039;t feed themselves at all without trucking everything from thousands of miles away.

I look at Google earth to view urban areas world wide and very few of them - even the gigantic areas like Sao Paolo, Or Beijing and even most European Cities look they are still being constructed around rail lines or other public transportation systems. Large areas of Japan have become continuous city. But they have 180 million people I recall. The radiating valleys in the Kyoto area are continuous strips of farmsteads that all front on the common roads. It must be easy to run regular bus lines along any of them to the nearest located rail lines. 

As the country ages, it will become more difficult for seniors to have to live without public transportation. Nursing home life is a miserable and very expensive way  to die. And owning a car is becoming more expensive.

This country has made walking for daily errands or taking a bus or train impractical for any but inner city commuters residents. 

The private automobile is one of the factors behind the   trillions spent in foreign wars. The biggest public transportation subsidies are being eaten by the automakers and it is the most inefficient way to move people. And all of the above to be held hostage by the cost of gas. Very stupid and not at all worth it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the last note got sent accidentally. </p>
<p>The problem is &#8211; there is no fix for suburban sprawl. It&#8217;s too diffuse and too expensive to service with adequate alternative transportation and many of the old rail lines are gone and their ROW&#8217;s are being eaten by encroachment by abutters or put to alternate uses like bicycle and hiking paths. The sprawl itself usually kills off any local agriculture so the urban areas can&#8217;t feed themselves at all without trucking everything from thousands of miles away.</p>
<p>I look at Google earth to view urban areas world wide and very few of them &#8211; even the gigantic areas like Sao Paolo, Or Beijing and even most European Cities look they are still being constructed around rail lines or other public transportation systems. Large areas of Japan have become continuous city. But they have 180 million people I recall. The radiating valleys in the Kyoto area are continuous strips of farmsteads that all front on the common roads. It must be easy to run regular bus lines along any of them to the nearest located rail lines. </p>
<p>As the country ages, it will become more difficult for seniors to have to live without public transportation. Nursing home life is a miserable and very expensive way  to die. And owning a car is becoming more expensive.</p>
<p>This country has made walking for daily errands or taking a bus or train impractical for any but inner city commuters residents. </p>
<p>The private automobile is one of the factors behind the   trillions spent in foreign wars. The biggest public transportation subsidies are being eaten by the automakers and it is the most inefficient way to move people. And all of the above to be held hostage by the cost of gas. Very stupid and not at all worth it.</p>
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		<title>By: paintcan</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/08/23/our-disturbing-relationship-with-gaddafi/comment-page-1/#comment-36689</link>
		<dc:creator>paintcan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 15:06:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Without a doubt Oil is always an issue for the US in the ME. The next issue is the welfare of Israel, still he only country actually eating another territory/country alive. 

But the US has only itself to blame for its dependence on oil - wherever the source. It had spent the last 50 plus years building urban areas enslaved by the automakers. Most of the oil it uses is for transportation and home heating costs. it also uses more than any other country on a daily for auto use alone. 

The were</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Without a doubt Oil is always an issue for the US in the ME. The next issue is the welfare of Israel, still he only country actually eating another territory/country alive. </p>
<p>But the US has only itself to blame for its dependence on oil &#8211; wherever the source. It had spent the last 50 plus years building urban areas enslaved by the automakers. Most of the oil it uses is for transportation and home heating costs. it also uses more than any other country on a daily for auto use alone. </p>
<p>The were</p>
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		<title>By: donvalley</title>
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		<dc:creator>donvalley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:56:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for explaining so much. Ms. Clinton continued the tradition of Gaddafi-coddling by a stubborn reluctance to support the rebels. Obama was finally shamed into doing some air support for rebels when France and Britain took the leadership. The Nato bombing started much too late. When Nato started air strikes, Gaddafi&#039;s long exposed armoured columns  were now in the cities terrorizing citizens and the opportunity to wipe them out quickly was gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for explaining so much. Ms. Clinton continued the tradition of Gaddafi-coddling by a stubborn reluctance to support the rebels. Obama was finally shamed into doing some air support for rebels when France and Britain took the leadership. The Nato bombing started much too late. When Nato started air strikes, Gaddafi&#8217;s long exposed armoured columns  were now in the cities terrorizing citizens and the opportunity to wipe them out quickly was gone.</p>
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		<title>By: IntoTheTardis</title>
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		<dc:creator>IntoTheTardis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:39:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All too reminiscent of our early ties with Saddam Hussein. We armed him to the teeth to be a counterweight to Iran and to guarantee the stability of Gulf oil. And then he began to feel invincible. We all know how that ended. 

Keep an eye an Saudi Arabia. We might see something similar happen there in the years to come.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All too reminiscent of our early ties with Saddam Hussein. We armed him to the teeth to be a counterweight to Iran and to guarantee the stability of Gulf oil. And then he began to feel invincible. We all know how that ended. </p>
<p>Keep an eye an Saudi Arabia. We might see something similar happen there in the years to come.</p>
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		<title>By: Discovery451</title>
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		<dc:creator>Discovery451</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ever hear of black gold?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ever hear of black gold?</p>
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		<title>By: sma92176</title>
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		<dc:creator>sma92176</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 14:04:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nothing for nothing, but I think you need to go back to your research and check on something...

&quot;acts that included the slaughter of American children in airports in Vienna and Rome. President Reagan quite rightly called Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East”.

While I think this is a little sensationalist to say that Americans were the primary targets in these attacks, these were attacks specifically against Israel and Israelis targeting El Al airlines ticket counters in Italy and Austria by Abu Nadil as retaliation against Israel for Operation Wooden Leg, where Israel bombed the PLO headquarters in Tunis (10/85).  This had nothing to do with an attack on American children at all.  I would suffice to say that if Americans were killed as additional damage, that Abu Nadil wouldn&#039;t have minded, however, that was not their main goal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nothing for nothing, but I think you need to go back to your research and check on something&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;acts that included the slaughter of American children in airports in Vienna and Rome. President Reagan quite rightly called Gaddafi the “mad dog of the Middle East”.</p>
<p>While I think this is a little sensationalist to say that Americans were the primary targets in these attacks, these were attacks specifically against Israel and Israelis targeting El Al airlines ticket counters in Italy and Austria by Abu Nadil as retaliation against Israel for Operation Wooden Leg, where Israel bombed the PLO headquarters in Tunis (10/85).  This had nothing to do with an attack on American children at all.  I would suffice to say that if Americans were killed as additional damage, that Abu Nadil wouldn&#8217;t have minded, however, that was not their main goal.</p>
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		<title>By: eleno</title>
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		<dc:creator>eleno</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Aug 2011 13:51:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I presume the London School of Economics is mourning Gadaffi&#039;s fall from power.

If ever there was an fine example of lefties consorting with dictators (as the right correctly argues) LSE&#039;s &#039;friendship&#039; with Gaddafi must be it.  

So much for standing up for the people. The left is all about grabbing power in any shape or form.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I presume the London School of Economics is mourning Gadaffi&#8217;s fall from power.</p>
<p>If ever there was an fine example of lefties consorting with dictators (as the right correctly argues) LSE&#8217;s &#8216;friendship&#8217; with Gaddafi must be it.  </p>
<p>So much for standing up for the people. The left is all about grabbing power in any shape or form.</p>
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