Comments on: Do libertarians like Peter Thiel really want to live in America? http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Summer12 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-44062 Sat, 12 May 2012 05:20:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-44062 What a charlatan. This writer is so ignorant but so arrogant and confidante in her assumption of libertarianism. God. Why do people not do their research before saying something?

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By: BruceZMajors http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37470 Tue, 13 Sep 2011 12:56:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37470 Sally Kohn unintentionally proves the need for projects like Seasteading. No one should have to live with or be governed by dishonest and intellectual deficient ideologues like Kohn.

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By: BruceZMajors http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37463 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 23:14:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37463 I always find Sally Kohn amusing. She’s the ditzy blonde of Leftover lesbian politics. She’s never smart or well-read enough about whatever she is gassing on about not to put her foot in a big stinking pattie. The idea of her trying to read and comprehend any libertarian author – Nozick, Hayek, Mises, Rothbard – gives on a chuckle.

She’s afraid, as all the pro-regressives are, because they have always been intellectually outclassed by the libertarians, way back to when Mises demonstrated that socialism cannot allocate resources intelligently and when Hayek showed that Keynesianism actually causes business cycles. But now all kinds of average voters are reading Tom Woods, or Ron Paul, or Johan Norberg, or Cato Institute publications, and understand how government control of the money supply causes our problems too.

Funnily, Sally Kohn was on the hannity radio show a few months ago saying she would let Iran and Palestinian radicals wipe out Israel — or at least she would not prevent it. So her idea that libertarians — who believe every person owns himself and his life, body, time, energy and productivity — are homicidal is just projection from her ditzy teeny mind.

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By: kevinbjornson http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37438 Mon, 12 Sep 2011 07:56:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37438 The article is hysterical in the sense of a Batman parody. Surely the author does not intend us to take this distorted vision literally. If interpreted metaphorically, and with the aid of the stash that the author appears to indulge in, I could go with the vibes of this article if there were nothing good on the RetroTv channel.

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By: GeorgeNorth http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37201 Wed, 07 Sep 2011 15:16:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37201 Weren’t libertarians the ones who advocate ending government monopoly on printing money? Historically, currency anarchism in a country has always brought it’s economy to collapse.
Governments and private monopolies/corporations are both evils, but libertarians seem to notice only the latter. How come?
That’s like destroying the police, but leaving the mafia.
I wonder, which of the two would pay to promote such an initiative?
Libertarians, especially the right-wing kind, simply pretend questions like the above have never occured to anybody.
Their silence is a sign of confirmation.

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By: TheRoots http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37161 Tue, 06 Sep 2011 19:35:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37161 I was always under the impression that socializing Land equally across the entire spectrum of humanity was the only way for each of us to have True Liberty which opens the door to Pure Democracy and a Pure Capitalistic Marketplace where we each have an equal footing to “play the game”. There is an easy way to accomplish this where individuals retain control over their property while the Land is held in Common by the Community -)

The Foundation of any Social Structure is the stabilizing factor. In terms of Life, Land is the Foundation. Treating Land as a commodity has been called the mother of all monopolies but on the flip side Socialized Land is the Mother of Liberty. Socializing Land across the entire human spectrum is The Secure Foundation. Using the United States as an example, there are currently over 3000 counties in the US. The way this works is the people of each county maintain 100% ownership of the Land in that county. Basing Land values on the currently assessed values, each “landowner” pays a Lease Fee into a Community Land fund which is then redistributed (100% of it) back to each resident in the county equally in the form of a yearly Land Dividend. Owners no longer own Land but lease it from the community. All of the improvements (houses, barns, gardens, etc…) are personally owned while the Land the improvements sit on Belongs Equally to every individual in that county. When someone sells his/her home they do not sell the Land but only the improvements. The new owner of the improvements takes over the Lease Fee. Sharing the Land in this manner effectively makes the Lease Fee on the average piece of Land exactly equal to the yearly Land Dividend. This makes Land equally affordable for everyone no matter income status. When individuals and families have security in Land they gain security in Life and are no longer beholden to another to procure Life’s basic necessities. It returns responsibility to the individual and in turn the community.

The reason why this needs to be done county by county is that the size of a county is small enough that individuals can actually get involved in the decisions that will directly impact their lives and by spreading these principles across 3000+ counties nationwide (in the US anyway) it makes it much more difficult to subvert such a system.

The Socialization of Land described above is The Foundation for Universal Liberty and the doorway to a True and Pure Capitalistic Economy in which local (county) resources are owned equally by Everyone in that county (Pure Democracy) and which rewards those who are Creative, Cooperative, Compassionate and Hard Working.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37152 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 18:15:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37152 As an anarchist, I’m not sure why the author has a problem. We’re not trying to topple the US government as the author spuriously claims, but are merely trying to leave and go elsewhere. Are you saying expatriation is dangerous? What about all the 19th and 20th century leftists that have expatriated? Ever heard of Earnest Hemingway, Gertrude Stein, F. Scott Fitzgerald?

Are you saying that people are not allowed to leave the US if we would rather live elsewhere with more freedom? Is this East Germany behind the wall?

Furthermore, what happened to our imagination? People used to think that the future would look like the Jetsons…why are you limiting the various ways human society organizes itself? If seasteading is possible, it’s an amazing development in the progress of humanity. We’ve been living on land for hundreds of thousands of years. I say perhaps it’s time to think outside the box and be creative. If seasteading can work for free societies, then ultra statists societies would also be free to seasteading if they can fund it. Perhaps a 1984 type seasteading state would be more to the authors liking.

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By: BrianSanFran http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37143 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 06:44:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37143 The author is a talking head on FOX News, as she boasts on her web site. Evidently, FOX is taking the same “logic” that they’ve used to advocate hard-right-wing extremism in the past, and starting to apply it to hard-left-wing extremism too.

This piece has all the same elements of a FOX article — assertions of dark conspiracies behind “ordinary-looking people,” hyperbole about “destruction of the country,” etc.

The author even posted a self-congratulatory “dear libertarians” piece on her web site, claiming to have received lots of criticism and instructing libertarians to not be Evil Anti-American Murderers if we don’t want to be criticized by her again.

The left now has an Ann Coulter of its very own. :)

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By: amikkelsen http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37139 Sun, 04 Sep 2011 23:16:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37139 Unfortunately Sally Kohn doesn’t know what she’s talking about.

This is ridiculous
“Or, for that matter, no prohibition against murder. Pesky “moral suasion”!”

The entire argument of libertarians is precisely that they believe murder, theft, fraud, torture, and slavery are wrong. They believe it is so wrong that State officials should never be allowed to engage in those activities. Unfortunately the state system is only able to function by engaging in activities that are illegal for everyone else. It depends on institutional injustice. Which is why people dependent on the state freak out whenever libertarians suggest that maybe it isn’t ok for the state to rob, defraud, kidnap, torture, and kill people.

While I don’t think Sally Kohn explicitly supports criminal behavior, she doesn’t seem to realize that she does condone institutional injustice.

In 2011 we live in a world in which is state officials admit to torture. It used to be that torture was un-American.

Libertarians simply take very seriously the idea of equal rights – if it is wrong for one person do something wrong it is wrong for everyone else. Peace, liberty, and property go together, you can’t have one without the others.

I’d love to hear Sally Kohn’s explanation of why it was ok for the American colonists to secede and declare their independence. Or was it un-American of them?

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By: Austrian http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/do-libertarians-like-peter-thiel-really-want-to-live-in-america/#comment-37138 Sun, 04 Sep 2011 18:56:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10192#comment-37138 What happened to “love it or leave it!” that you statist pigs used to always cheer? Heaven forbid people be free to choose how to live their own lives.

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