Comments on: Education is the long-term solution for fighting poverty http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Bagwa http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/#comment-37147 Mon, 05 Sep 2011 11:24:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10206#comment-37147 Education MIGHT bring about a different attitude about government and help to shrink it and reduce the corruption that has become part and parcel with our modern version of democracy in America but as for poverty – as long as illegal immigration is condoned and supported, as it is now by Obama and has been by others like Bush and the entire State of Texas then you can be sure the words of Jesus will remain true : “For ye have the poor with you always, and whensoever ye will ye may do them good: but me ye have not always.”

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By: coyotle http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/#comment-37134 Sun, 04 Sep 2011 14:17:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10206#comment-37134 ADDENDUM;I just finished reading comments on twitter regarding tropical storm Irene. Each and everyone of the comments posted by climate change naysayers (the majority of comments) demonstrated an inability to grasp rudimentary scientific principles such as oxygen respiration and photosynthesis. One commentator believes humans breath in the same amount of CO2 that they exhale therefore, CO2can’t be a contributing hot house gas. Their ability to form cognitive sentences and use basic grammar in the process was absent. Clearly reading comprehension and critical thinking is something many American People have not attained from their educational experience.

Rishawn, our education system has failed these people and they probably have jobs. If these individuals take the time to post comments on twitter, do they also make time to vote or go to town hall meetings held by elected officials? There is more at stake hear than a future with to many imprisoned young people.

I am a former correctional officer who spent 13 years working in institutions and escorting inmates to court on a regular basis. I can tell you first hand you are correct about a failed educational system leading to incarceration. The educational infrastructure for juveniles in our state prison systems is far worse than what is available to the public. Yet judges handily commit youths to juvenile detention (gangsta college). I personally view our criminal justice system as institutionalized racism and our prisons as such nothing more than political gulags for all the undesirables of society (mentally ill, minorities, disabled and political dissidents).

All of our institutions (public and private schools, legislatures, criminal justice, healthcare, financial, etc…) have and are failing us. I would further submit education is at the core. I think it is easy to see that as long as elected representatives are pandering to a confused and misinformed constituency there is little hope for constructive and positive change. A better understanding of the issues facing our failed institutions by the public in crucial for consensus to be formed. Only then can positive and effective change take place.

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By: JohnG-73645 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/#comment-37124 Sat, 03 Sep 2011 22:20:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10206#comment-37124 lyrichardson: Well said. Too often we the failures running school administrations: superintendents and principals growing their huge rear ends and the poor teachers trying to get the job done without any support, with no power to manage the classroom and no interest from the parents.

The US system of education is broken beyond repair. What is required is a brand new system. Get rid of superintendents, have only one principal, get rid of head of departments and hire only those teachers who are willing to get the job done.

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By: ThinkingPerson http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/#comment-37093 Fri, 02 Sep 2011 18:48:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10206#comment-37093 The author obviously did not read the article in the NYTimes yesterday on “Generation Limbo”, about the throngs of college grads who are now either out of work, going back to grad school because they can’t find a job, or working as bartenders, waitresses, starbucks baristas, paralegal, band leaders…jobs that do not require a college degree. The article cited Harvard English Majors, Dartmouth grads, IVY LEAGE graduates, probably $200k in debt, and can’t find work.

This whole “trust in education” amounts to nothing but blind faith. We have too many people who graduated from college going for the same backoffice jobs in IT, accounting, paralegal, etc. that are increasingly outsourced and offshore. So these college grads go work in jobs in retail, service, low skilled white collar jobs previously held by non-college grads; Where does that leave the high school grads? The only jobs they are now qualified for are farm jobs, low skilled blue collar jobs like restaurant kitchen, landscaping, truck driving…jobs that are now dominated by illegal immigrants, where Spanish is REQUIRED.

No Mr. Biddle, we’ve heard enough from people like you and Barack Obama, academics who do not live in the real world. We have a populace that is over-educated and under-skilled. We do not need any more people to go to community colleges and 4 year colleges to earn anymore useless degrees like English or History or Women’s studies. What we need is more vocational schools that train people for real skills like bookkeeping, technician, electrician, plumbing, welding, healthcare technician, cooking etc.

Further, we need to stop issuing H1-B and L1 visas to low skilled IT workers from India(often under the guise of “highly skilled”, “best and brightest” etc.). Make the employers train our college grads to do these jobs the same way they trained these Indian “college” grads, often graduated from dubious universities in India and by these Indian outsourcers’ own admission, have no real skills. We also need to stop illegal immigrants from taking jobs from our non-college grads by levying heavy fines on employers who hire illegals.

Last but not least, we need to stop fighting wars thousands of miles away, bring home our troops, seal off our border with Mexico, and stop paying welfare as well as all other social services from education to healthcare to illegal immigrants!

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By: lyrichardson http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/#comment-37049 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 23:02:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10206#comment-37049 Effective teaching is complicated and complex.

It goes beyond scholarship, content knowledge, and dedication. Most teachers WANT to be effective; they just don’t know how and don’t receive the support and the backing they need. Fifty per cent of all new teachers are gone within five years. In high poverty schools, this number increases to fifty percent every three years. Students aren’t the only ones dropping out of schools. Schools are a drop-out factory for teachers too. How do we leave no child behind without a stable pipeline of teaching capital?
Sad, we compensate chancellors, superintendents, CEOs, etc. with hundreds of thousands of dollars. They leave after two or three years with nothing accomplished and teachers take the blame. There is an absence of REAL leadership in our urban schools for which teachers and students suffer.
Most educators who are promoted to administrative positions were not necessarily exemplary teachers. Thus, they are challenged as instructional leaders because they weren’t necessarily effective in the classroom. It’s vicious cycle for which students and teacher are slapped down. It’s like blame assembly workers for building shoddy cars. The real challenge: how do we prepare the masses for life in a global economy. We just haven’t figured out how to do it to scale.

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By: coyotle http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/01/education-is-the-long-term-solution-for-fighting-poverty/#comment-37035 Thu, 01 Sep 2011 20:00:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10206#comment-37035 RiShawn, an economy where CPAs, computer engineers and other college grads are working as for security firms or TSA is not a desirable economic model. Yet this is precisely the type of economic opportunities that are available. Fewer felons means more people able to get a card to carry a weapon as a job requirement. Prison America?

I think we can do better. I am interested in hearing what our government plans to do regarding job creation/economic growth. Will the vitriol that was displayed during the budget crisis reemerge from our congressional leaders? Is this behavior by our politicians posturing and vying for power or indicative of public sentiment? If it is the latter then we truly have not corrected the issues surrounding the racial and religious divides that still exists in this country.

Business has been given the freedom to do as it wishes.
The business community along with Federal and State governments have lead us to a precipice of the abyss. A lack of moral and ethical conduct that neither rule of law or church has been able to right amongst our political and business leaders is at the core of the matter. To rely on a government and it’s recycled experts is simply to leave the nation’s problems in the hands of enablers. Clearly the real issue facing the United States is a “Crisis of Character”.

We are no longer a united country. Our divides are not only by race, class and geography but religion and philosophy. Under Vespasian the Roman empire was divided into Four regions each with an autonomous rule by the four emperors. At that time Rome’s problems were not all that different from ours today. Will this be the new model for old large Hegemons as they shed their final vestiges of democracy? It has been said history repeats it self.

If we are to become strong again as a nation we must learn as a people to put the interests of the nation ahead of our own. Empathy and compassion for those who are suffering because of the excess of the wealthy few are being ignored. The health of the nation and her People are intertwined with the health of the environment. The state of our economy is directly related to the state of our infrastructure which schools are a significant part. There is much work to be done and ten million plus in need of work. The solutions to our problems are simply a matter of vision and leadership.

But as in music the simplest things are always the hardest to do.

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