Comments on: The 9/11 generation http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/#comment-37329 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:41:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10312#comment-37329 “5 million of who went to war, millions more who served in other significant ways); and a generation of children whose lives have been imprinted by events they can’t yet begin to fathom.”

As much as I sympathetic with the trauma that kid suffered – I am also aware that both he and his father and every other person serving in the military is a volunteer. I hated the draft but g had a deferment. But the draft had the benefit of making sure the war was not put on self-serving, self-perpetuating and automatic status.

A stagnant economy that seems determined to widen the gap between rich and poor is also ideal for keeping an all-volunteer army staffed. The country is becoming as fascist as the Roman Empire and can marginalize anyone not in uniform and guarantee that only those with military service ever have access to ever rarer employment prospects and all in the name of a war that never has to end. It is too easy to invent a terrorist threat.

And you exploit a generation of children that may have been too young to actually know much of what went on at the time. The memorials are making a kind of state religion with holy icons, sacred pilgrimage sites and all the trappings of a popular religion devoid of any spiritual significance. And that popular religion can be abused as easily – even more easily – but all the con men and opportunists that tend to dominate state support religious establishments.

The next generation – the 9/11 generation as the writer calls them – is not likely to enter a brave new world, but one that is very controlled by some very powerful grandees that are noble (and unaccountable) in all but title. And America has had homegrown aristocrats before.

These new aristocrats will not be nearly as accountable for the influence as the old world equivalent. They will never put their own skins or children on the line and will expect their less fortunate, less educated and less intelligent to do the fighting and dying for them. And they will be able to create all the propaganda, home grown patriotic pseudo-religious sentiment they like and broadcast it anywhere they like.

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By: eleno http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/#comment-37328 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 13:34:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10312#comment-37328 Nonsense about the generational splits. America – multiple generations of it – voted in Obama to expiate their guilt. The almost subliminal 9/11 deceit of “we must have done something wrong to all these people so that’s why they attacked us” permeated the land across all generations (but, of course, mostly on the the Atlantic and Pacific coasts).

And so it came to pass that when the economy and indeed the world needed a great leader they got instead, through their own folly, a Saul Alinsky organizer who was light on real world experience and heavy on exploiting American collective guilt. A man with less real world experience than the Indian immigrant running the corner store. A man who though money, if not growing on trees, came from grant awards.

The most incompetent president for decades who like a leader in waiting – not a POTUS – bumbles through economic issues constrained by his radical mindset.

My guess is that by the time he has done his eight years he will have had enough practical real world experience to see the US right. But by then it will be too late for him and for the US.

Osama smiles from his watery grave. He helped elected the nincompoop.

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By: sarvay http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/#comment-37319 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 07:03:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10312#comment-37319 The challenge is that there are three post-9/11 generations — an older generation for who the attacks and subsequent events (economic, political and military) were a bookend to decades of misdirected engagement; a younger generation whose lives were more directly impacted and whose perspective on the world actually shifted in fundamental ways (5 million of who went to war, millions more who served in other significant ways); and a generation of children whose lives have been imprinted by events they can’t yet begin to fathom.

The four individuals David Rohde cites at the end of his piece represent the middle group; they tend to be more idealistic, forward-looking and are positioned to reinvent America. They are 40 million strong.

Most of the current crop of political and economic leaders and decision makers in our country represent the first group. They continue to attempt to create a future very similar to our post, and have a worldview (and national view) that is half-empty, not half-full. They are 100 million strong.

The 9/11 generation may be ready to rebuild a new, 21st century America, but their more cynical, dogmatic elders need to get out of the HOV lane of American politics and business. I’m not confident that will happen soon.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/#comment-37313 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 00:12:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10312#comment-37313 The author is pandering. The people of New York did not bring the economy “roaring back to life” after 911. It was ten of thousands of hours of over time and hundreds of millions of dollars in Federal aid immediately after the attack that subsidized it “back to health” as anemic as it was. It has been on life support in large part ever since in spite of frequent transfusions in the form of Bush’s several tax rebates, Tarp and QE1 and 2.

It takes more than fairy tales, flag waving and patriotic BS to makes the economy grow. The so called 9/11 generation hasn’t presented the complete bill for the all the long term medical and mental health issues many will have for the rest of their lives. But a modern country cannot rape the conquered as the temptation was at the start.

More bedside manners on the part of frauds and quacks! Flag waving and fine sentiments will not pay their bills.

I am 60 years old and am fed up to the eyeballs with fine and phony sentiments said by politicians who say what they say to win popularity contents, and said by men like me “who never felt a wound”. I can’t jest at them – only stand in horror at what was done to them and wonder why I am walking around at all intact. A kid down the street sat next to his companion in Iraq and watched him cut in two by an IED. If it had been in his place I would have had an instant nervous breakdown and would very likely have shot myself or someone else on the spot. Just the shock of the explosion would have set me off. I’m sure.

I don’t know who does them worst service? The writer who perfumes the issues or me who calls it the terror it was/still is. I would not want his memory but he seems to take it in stride somehow. He wasn’t injured by his tour like his father was. At least I don’t think so.

And it actually isn’t one generation but at least two.

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By: Nullcorp http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/#comment-37312 Fri, 09 Sep 2011 00:06:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10312#comment-37312 The post-9/11 military interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan were unsuccessful and played a direct role in the economic problems now seen worldwide. With that in mind, I’m not sure why praise for the military is justified. I knew people who signed up after 9/11 just to “kill some towelheads” (their words, not mine). Those angry high-school dropouts are not part of some honorable campaign to set America back on its feet, they’re part of the dogmatism that keeps the nation in doubt.

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By: JoeMafandone http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/09/08/the-911-generation/#comment-37292 Thu, 08 Sep 2011 19:07:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=10312#comment-37292 Well said. The challenge we face is not to win hearts and minds, nor to change any culture or even individuals. In this global economy – the goal should be to increase understanding and foster moderism.

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