Comments on: Occupy Wall Street has already beaten the Tea Party http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: steve001968 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40182 Thu, 08 Dec 2011 22:32:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40182 There’s only one problem with this article: It’s entire premise that OWS has beaten the Tea Party is entirely false. The simple fact is that this is not born out by any current polling comparing support for the organizations head to head. In fact polling shows the opposite. The article also ignores the fact that the Tea Party now has true political power i.e. seats in congress. OWS, arguably, has none.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/pdf/2 011/PPP_Release_US_11161023.pdf

Q7 Do you support or oppose the goals of the Tea
Party movement?
Support 42%
Oppose 45%
Not sure13%

Q8 Do you have a higher opinion of the Occupy
Wall Street movement or the Tea Party
movement?
Occupy Wall St. 37%
Tea Party 43%
Not sure 20%

Q6 Do you support or oppose the goals of the
Occupy Wall Street movement?
Support 33%
Oppose 45%
Not sure 22%

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By: breezinthru http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40127 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 08:08:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40127 @ DwDunphy

This recent market rally was an anomaly, not a trend. The forces that drive the the Occupy movement are not dwindling, they are accumulating.

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By: Sal20111 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40123 Mon, 05 Dec 2011 01:02:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40123 Silly article, making false suppositions. Big government and corporate greed are working together. OWS and Tea Party are aligned on this. I suggest you see Ron Paul’s statements and interviews on the subject. Or you look at the empirical evidence: Obama-Geithner trillions of dollars robbery of the taxpayer for the banks – this is the Grand Bank Robbery of the 21st century.

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By: King_Hussein http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40113 Sun, 04 Dec 2011 14:13:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40113 The OWS narrative was given its 15 minutes of fame by a sympathetic media including Reuters. The puppet theatre in Zuccotti Park has not changed the hearts and minds of middle class Americans in the middle of America who decide elections.

Obama’s policies have been a disaster as the next election will demonstrate.

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By: RevPettibone http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40102 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 13:55:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40102 Now that these folks from Occupy-Whatever have gotten used to urinating and defecating in the streets, when they go back home are their parents gonna have to house-break ‘em all over again? Teach ‘em how to use the potties, the bathrooms. If you are a parent of a “returning hero” from Occupy Wall Street you might want to put some newspaper down at strategic points inside the house. Particularly the bedrooms where your brave hero sons and daughters are returning home, after this valiant, valiant effort to overturn whatever it was they wanted overturned. But I am, at the end of the day, still a little sorry to see them all go… Every photo from the Occupy protests looked like a campaign ad for conservatism… And this my progressive friends is why they had to be cleared out of there. The Democratic party realized that…. and feared it. I am convinced the mayors of all the major cities got phone calls from the White House, or from David Axelrod in Chicago. Somebody on the Obama team told them, “Look, let’s shut this down because it’s not working any more.” The media gave it it’s best shot. The media tried to tell everybody “This is just like the Tea Party.” But it wasn’t…. and the Obama team finally had to admit to themselves it wasn’t.

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By: CharlesHClarke http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40084 Sat, 03 Dec 2011 00:53:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40084 Polls actually show that Occupy Wall Street is more popular among independents than the Tea Party. The difference is that, for all of its chaotic aspects, Occupy Wall Street is a veritable, authentic movement of the people, with many different kinds of supporters that run the length and breadth of America.

The Tea Party was a message-managed sideshow orchestrated by billionaires, and it showed.

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By: AlkalineState http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40081 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:51:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40081 The contribution of OWS is just beginning. The fact that we now have a question emerging that politicians of both parties will have to answer: “What’s your position regarding Wall Street?”

More hammer needed? Same hammer but better enforcement? How would that look under your watch? Reduce government oversight? Increase it? Do you love banks enough to bail them out again? Would you pass a law prohibiting bailouts? Do everything the same, because it worked so well last time?

Bush never had to answer these questions publicly, but we saw the fallout in 2008 and 2009. I think the movement is valuable if it does nothing more than eventually create sides that politicians will have to pick.

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By: eleno http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40079 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 20:10:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40079 Wishful thinking comes in many guises. Callahan confuses what he hopes will be with what will actually be.

The Tea Party had a significant impact on the 2010 elections enabling the Republicans to take the House. It is unlikely that they will lose the house in the upcoming elections and indeed there is a chance they could take the Senate.

Now let’s look at the impact of the OWS movement. Except in certain circles on the left and right coast the I suspect that OWS has been viewed negatively by the right (of course), but more importantly by the independent voters in the middle.

Their impact is unlikely to be felt at the ballot box: the left will vote for Obama, the right will vote for the anti-Obama and the floating vote will likely break more to the right because of their concerns for country and the deficit and because OWS shows what the entitlement society creates.

Callahan is very misinformed.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40073 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:59:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40073 You say “…public concern about the Tea Party’s linchpin issues – taxes and the deficit – has receded.” Yes, today’s headline is always diferent from yesterday’s.

But America’s ever-growing deficit and spendthrift politicians mean that, inevitably there must soon be another increase in the debt limit if the status quo is to continue; and that debate is increasingly more acrimonious and difficult if simply because America is BROKE! This the relative that won’t go home after the holiday!

The inconvenient truth is that Americans and their elected representatives are going to have to come to some consensus as to what this country is to be. Only then can we begin the essential separation of our needs from our wants, essential because the days of blank checks are gone and gone forever and that inevitably means some things will not be funded.

America, for the first time, must prioritize! In the long run, that may “save” America. The Tea Party has a legitimate political presence with a role in the necessary debates. OWC has no legitimate presence and no role, being deaf, dumb and loud with nothing new to contribute to the conversation.

Available funds must increasingly provide for immediate needs, and so in the scramble attention to detail and cost control will be necessary! The bright spotlight of public attention will shine into the deepest, darkest recesses of the federal bloat, see the waste, and put it on a long-overdue diet.

A leaner, stronger government capable of meeting the evolving needs of America’s future growth and power . We CAN do it! We MUST do it!

Occupy was but a speed bump. It got our attention, but when America looked closely it offered no solutions. They offered no new ideas, only old complaints.

The world economy is evolving from industrial isolationism to information and labor globalization, a convulsion of no less magnitude than the industrial revolution. There will be winners and there will be human “collateral damage” as a cold, hard, impersonal matter of fact. In such a time America needs inspiration, not more discouragement and whining.

OWC is behind us. There is WORK to be done!

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By: DwDunphy http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2011/12/01/occupy-wall-street-has-already-beaten-the-tea-party/#comment-40072 Fri, 02 Dec 2011 17:09:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=11195#comment-40072 OWS is dead in the water. Notice how, during this week of Wall Street peaks, hardly a word about Zucotti Park was uttered by the media? That is, in fact, the indicator you need most that this movement is on the outs. They had a great opportunity to make both their efforts and public sympathy a groundswell for real action and, instead, squandered it by refusing to name their aim. Now it has been named for them, like it or not.

You never get a second chance to make that first impression.

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