Comments on: Who’s to blame when an injured soldier kills civilians? http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: soldiersmom4902 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-44480 Sun, 20 May 2012 17:36:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-44480 I can tell you exactly how this happens. Our sons and daughters bravley serve again and again and again, in a war this country did not want.

While serving and watching fellow soldiers and children and other innocents die, and then add a rocket hitting their barracks while asleep. Add a minor brain injury from such a rocket attack, add that the soldier then cannot sleep. Which we all know that sleep deprivation itself can be used as a form of torture. So now they are sleep deprived and probably in pain. Often the medics or doctors refuse them treatment for any of it. Then lets add a lung injury due to something the military won’t admit to, but several soldiers have become I’ll and cannot breath. Two don’t get better at all and are deemed to be in respiratory distress and near resp failure. So they are medivaced out treated and returned to battle barely able to great. The are then a detriment to themselves and their fellow soldiers. Because if they end up in a bad situation and can’t breath they are going down and so are the ones trying to save them. But the’militarh refuses you treatment. You come back home, you survived this time. In between war zones you become I’ll a few times and are refused a diagnostic work up and finally go to a civilian hosp and pay for your treatment. You go back three more times to a combat zone. You save others you have small I juries. The. You are called upon to help find something to send back home of your buddies killed by IEd. IED s do horrible things to the human body, and they were your buddies. Sleep of any kind eludes you. You are made fun of or called names by your upper echelon because you realize you need help, they refuse you saying you must be faking your problems…..then you snap, you hurt others or like my son, think you should drive your. Are into a semi or telephone pole because you are almost done with your tour and u enrolled in college cause you were promised an education too. But….they refuse to pay for it after a semester for some small reason. So again and again you beg for help get none or some meds that don’t really help you still don’t sleep, but thank God your Mom is a nurse cause daily she talks you out of hurting yourself….but she’s not sure how to keep him from it. I know all this and more because I am speaking of myself and of my son….

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By: skparekh http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42586 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:37:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42586 What if the tables were turned? What if an Afghan soldier/civilian who’s lived through war and chaos all his/her life carries out such attack on US soil? I doubt I would see this “human rights” article.

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By: I-wonder http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42585 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 13:02:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42585 Quite. Take a violent serial killer who slaughters women and children (plus a few men) and justify it because he may have had a stress disorder …
Well done! Did you also check to see whether he had had a bad dinner before going on the rampage? Maybe that set him off …
It takes thought and organization to pick up a weapon, walk into town and systematically kill people. He did not go nuts, he simply allowed his inner demons to run free. This is an evil man.

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By: smanchwhich http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42582 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 11:16:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42582 I would find it high unlikely that a person could serve in repeated combat tours without suffering mental ill-affects. I also understand that many times, the people whose job it is identify and treat PTSD have never actually seen combat, and therefore only have a textbook understanding of the problem (as explained to me by a Marine who would have been a lifer but for IED shrapnel almost tearing his arm off).

Is there a widespread and systemic problem in the identification and treatment of PTSD and combat related trauma? Definitely, and I believe it is the responsibility of those in command to create a viable solution to the problem, no matter the cost. Their failure thus far to do so, in my mind, places part of the culpability on their shoulders.

Does this absolve Sgt. Bales of his responsibility to NOT kill non-combatants? Absolutely not. Insanity does not change the fact of murder, nor does it change the likelihood of future violent acts.

Anything worth talking about doesn’t have an open-and-shut answer, and neither does this. The military is responsible, Bales is responsible.

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By: Dafydd http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42581 Wed, 28 Mar 2012 10:00:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42581 I admire your liberalism. I share it.

But it count for nothing unless equally applied to the young Taliban dieing every day. And the Afghan soldiers who also go on shooting sprees.

Where are you and Floyd Meshad on them?

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By: SvenBolin http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42573 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 23:46:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42573 This is just damage control. Had it been the other way around with a Afghan shooter and seventeen US victims the discussion would be different to say the least.
MacClelland do Afghans have human rights or even human value?

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By: Ocala123456789 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42567 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 18:35:05 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42567 why do not you write an article about Himmel or Hitler? Maybe all those atrocities they did was not their fault… then osama bin laden was not terorist there should be a reason why he killed 1000s of people without any remorse… vowww… maybe you should marry him… he can give you clues about how to kill children in their sleep…

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By: Calfri http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42562 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 16:59:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42562 I’m wondering if the acquittal of some American soldiers in Iraq recently — who were charged with murdering a number of innocent Iraqi civilians — could have played into Bales’ decision to kill these people. Perhaps he heard about their being let off and decided that he, too could get away with even a heinous act such as killing a bunch of kids.

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By: TobyONottoby http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42559 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 14:37:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42559 In “King Leopold’s Ghost,” Adam Hochschild suggests that the suicidal and genocidal European wars of the 20th century would not have been so ferocious, and might not have occurred at all, had the nations of Europe not previously accustomed generations of their soldiers to the dehumanizing violence that became commonplace in those nations’ African colonies. (According to Hochschild, Joseph Conrad’s “Heart of Darkness,” on which Francis Ford Coppola’s “Apocalypse Now” was partly based, was probably less fictitious than previously supposed.) All in all, I think it is well worth considering the extent to which PTSDs and TBIs can haunt the world for centuries.

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By: Ugottabesick http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/03/23/whos-to-blame-when-an-injured-soldier-kills-civilians-2/#comment-42554 Tue, 27 Mar 2012 07:46:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12269#comment-42554 Every reader must ask themselves whether Sgt Bales would have been treated differently, if he had gone berserk back home and killed 17 US citizens instead.

If the answer is “No,” and there is reason to believe that he has indeed been affected by PTSD, the humane thing to do would be to not take his life, but to treat his PTSD while in custody, till he is fit to lead a normal life. Simultaneously, the families of the 17 victims should be taken care of, as they would have suffered irreparable loss.

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