Comments on: Can we retain privacy in the era of Big Data? http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: FranknEarnest http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44394 Fri, 18 May 2012 17:18:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44394 The advancement of privacy norms and legal rights have historically been consequences of widespread privacy harms. Think of transparency, accountability, access, and correction rights following abuses of secret dossiers maintained by governments and early credit reporting agencies, for example.

Far be it for me to hope for a “privacy chernobyl” or “data valdez” to mobilize a sufficient percentage of the public to act and to demand change, but such are the kind of scenarios that do seem to be effective.

The next frontier, in my opinion, will be individual access. If there is a simple and effective way for people to find out what information is being collected about them, and how that information is being used, then they will be empowered and motivated to hold those organziations more accountable for their actions.

Wouldn’t you like to know when and why government or law enforcement authorities have surveilled you, or what online advertisers have collected about you? Who has accessed your medical files and why? Empower citizens with real access and redress rights and watch society be transormed by new privacy norms and more accountable behaviour on the part of the data collectors and aggregators that are watching us more and more.

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By: paintcan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44363 Thu, 17 May 2012 23:32:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44363 The popular media lives of the stuff that the more finicky may find repulsive and TMI.
And not just the tabloid press loves to rake muck and talk about the hemorrhoids. It had its effect on the general population. And I suppose, those who claim they don’t like TMI can suck up the garbage of popular gossip like it was mother’s milk. I’ve seen enough old timer movies to know that polite appearances don’t often match reality. I’ve seen enough life (probably thanks to the media) and some s personal experience to know that disjunction still lives.

Mr. Tapscott, You leave out the possibility that TMI might be a kind of barely understood rebellion against the prospect of being “found out”. It would be similar to the dandies of Beau Brummel’s era who purposely acted even more elitist in reaction to the popular discontent of the French Revolution. Someone I read once characterized it as “snapping their fingers” at the age.

In other words: be open and shameless before someone tries to impose their notions of shamefulness on you. Or throw the “dirt” in their faces before someone attempts to threaten you with it. Manners are inherent covers for hypocrisy. That is rock bottom what it tends to devolve into. Society needs enormous doses of shame to control it’s victims. Many people may have no use for the disembodied and very selective courtesy of the well mannered and discrete. If it’s been on the screen and the TV – why bother to feel shame?

People who appear in the major media sometimes have to bow to viscous attacks on things they inadvertently said and make apologies for their statements. I know I am very indiscreet with my speech sometimes because I really have no respect whatsoever for the codification of manners. They were never that profound, reliable or even sensible.

The trouble with those old “Miss Manners” columns was they tended to be written for middle and upper income people and catered to women. They were always so tiny minded somehow.

In the 60s they were irrelevant for my generation (the boomers) but they tried to be more relevant in the 70s. But they had to acknowledge the messy facts of life and the manners aspect started to look like an archaic issue: rather like worrying about the place settings while the Titanic was sinking.

Social expectations and good behavior in social settings requires stable societies with long term residents who understand the social codes. And those old codified societies could be merciless and have longer memories than elephants. So many people in the US and elsewhere don’t stay put and the social expectations are not uniform throughout the world and many people may simply not care what the society thinks about them because they don’t really see it except in their friends.

I think it would be a hell on earth to see the resurgence of vain, pampered old bags like the old MS Astor try to rule the social roost again. Not even her piers could stand her pretensions after a while.

The reality of life was always messy and impolite. The people who seem to think there are good manners must have very long memories and are probably dieing like flies now. But it should be remembered that even the NAZI regime knew how to be discrete (obviously) and some of them could have impeccable manners.

Some people can be too d–d squeamish and want to think the world is a pretty garden all the time. It’s obviously anything but.

Mmanners are fundamentally about social control and had their fullest development in the era of Absulotism. That control can be in the hands of swine with the loveliest manners and whitest teeth.

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By: Renox http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44336 Thu, 17 May 2012 17:51:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44336 The answer is simple: Stay off-line.

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By: maGiK http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44332 Thu, 17 May 2012 16:50:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44332 As the old saying goes, ‘idle brain is a devil’s workshop’, Facebook is home for majority of all those idle brains. Honestly speaking.

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By: jscottk http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44313 Thu, 17 May 2012 02:04:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44313 Don Tapscott, all very interesting but what is your point?

Because of the amorality of information collectors, aggregators, data miners and data speculators, companies like Facebook, Google, Microsoft, governments, employers and others CAN NEVER BE TRUSTED.

The onus of protecting our privacy starts with us.

My solution: I do not have Facebook and don’t feel the loss. I do not wish them well. It’s a very shallow venue.

Employers should be barred by law from asking for social media profiles and passwords. It’s none of their business.

I lie about my birthdate, my name, my annual income and other personal identifiers in registering for almost all web sites which require that information. To keep the lies straight, I have my password book.

Anything you say can and will be used against you in a court of law or public opinion.

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By: carlkalapesi http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44289 Wed, 16 May 2012 20:49:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44289 “Yes, likely someday there will be norms, laws and practices governing the responsible use of all this data. But practically, these do not exist today.” – This is exactly why the World Economic Forum and BCG have published a report today calling for the establishment of trading rules for personal data focusing on 1) Securing the data itself from breach; 2) Establishing rights and responsibilities for using data based on context and 3) Developing accountability and enforcement mechanisms that hold organisations to account. It will be complicated because personal data is after all personal. But we need to work together to try and establish such trading rules to build trust – because without them we are heading down a slippery path. http://forumblog.org/2012/05/personal-da ta-needs-clear-trading-rules/
http://www.bcg.com/media/PressReleaseDet ails.aspx?id=tcm:12-105524

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By: DonTapscott http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/05/16/can-we-retain-privacy-in-the-era-of-big-data/#comment-44286 Wed, 16 May 2012 20:40:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=12811#comment-44286 Please see my original post on this topic.

http://t.co/3D4OD1AH

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