Comments on: It’s shortsighted for Congress to eliminate census data http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-46009 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:49:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-46009 There has been a concerted effort by Congress and the Executive Branch for years to distort statistics on the economy to always make it appear more rosy than it is.

Some years ago, Congress decided to “save money” by defining the official unemployment rate by what was exclusively reported by the states that includes dropping the reporting of those people who no longer receive unemployment benefits, labeling them, “no longer in the employment pool” and “no longer looking for work”, a blatant lie. This would supposedly save money in doing those useless surveys by the United States Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Funny, how after years of reporting the phony official unemployment rate, the BLS still does the surveys and analyses to determine the under-employment rate (including part-timers), the real unemployment rate (those who did work and can work, but are not working), the labor participation rate – all of which justify Paul Krugman’s, Nobel Laureate in Economics, claiming that we’re in the Third Depression. Read his book, “How to Get Out of This Depression”.

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By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-46008 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 18:48:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-46008 There has been a concerted effort by Congress and the Executive Branch for years to distort statistics on the economy to always make it appear more rosy than it is.

Some years ago, Congress decided to “save money” by defining the official unemployment rate by what was exclusively reported by the states that includes dropping the reporting of those people who no longer receive unemployment benefits, labeling them, “no longer in the employment pool” and “no longer looking for work”, a blatant lie. This would supposedly save money in doing those useless surveys by the United States Labor Department’s Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS). Funny, how after years of reporting the phony official unemployment rate, the BLS still does the surveys and analyses to determine the under-employment rate (including part-timers), the real unemployment rate (those who did work and can work, but are not working), the labor participation rate – all of which justify Paul Krugman’s, Nobel Laureate in Economics, claiming that we’re in the Third Depression. Read his book, “How to Get Out of This Depression”.

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By: GLsword http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-46003 Sun, 10 Jun 2012 16:26:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-46003 I thought Republican knew how to read. Guess this guy never learnt or bothered to do his duty. The Constitution only authorizes ONE census every ten years and economic data has NOTHING to do with it. Congress has been bullying The People to just DoIT when they -the Congress- should be paying for these economic surveys out of their petty cash and mega retirement fun funds.

If this information is so important why doesn’t Mr Engler just ask his buddy multimillionair Governors to tell their Congress Critters and Senators to authorize an “earned income credit” for each and every citizen and/or “entity” at $25 per hour for every hour or part there of that the OMB says it takes to collect the data and then fill out the forms. That way most folks would just let their accountant or taxpreparers take care of it in the normal course of business.

Of course a few bugercrats and govemployees might need to look for another line of work. If NASA can turn over the manned space program to private business and save 85 to 95% of the cost. Why can’t the Congress figure this thing out?

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By: SeaDaddy46 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45911 Sat, 09 Jun 2012 02:37:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45911 Some thoughts:
1) The only valid way to collect the data is by using a truly random sample. If the survey is voluntary, the sample will not be truly random.
2) Business can pay for access to the aggregate data they need. Believe me the cost is a very, very good investment. How many times have you seen a new small business open, then close several months later. They needed better data to help them determine the right site and time to open.
3) As the author notes, this isn’t about GOP or DEM. It’s about business decision making. (Don’t you folks read? Do you comprehend the meaning of the words you read? Do you think Democratic business owners don’t have the same data needs in their business decisions that Republican business owners do?)
4) Some politicians are trying to grand-stand for political gain during an election year. Then, next year they will be persuaded to re-fund the exact same programs they just defunded.

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By: bryanX http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45864 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 17:29:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45864 A twelve-year-old savant software developer from Nowhere USA will make a web App/Service to fill the need.

Welcome to America 2.0

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By: krimsonpage http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45845 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:51:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45845 Ignorance is a key component to the GOP agenda. Killing data collection of any sort is part of that plan. Foolish is not the word. Deliberate, calculating, and facist are more appropriate terms to use in describing this behaviour.

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By: ALLSOLUTIONS http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45844 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 14:43:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45844 Several comments

1) Users of the data should pay for it.
2) What does the government do with the data?
3) Given that the government is inept, why does it need to be gathered?
4) No one should be forced to provide any information
5) Saving $240 million a year is a good thing.

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By: MEPII http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45820 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 09:26:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45820 SeaWa, are you confusing the raw data provided by tools like the ACS with the results of data analysis?

It seems to me that the more data and information available to decision makers – from the Feds down to the local business owner trying to figure out his or her next step – the better the decision will be.

Without adequate data, we may as well be flipping coins or throwing darts!

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By: borisjimbo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45800 Fri, 08 Jun 2012 04:41:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45800 Yes it is but that’s the GOP for you, penny wise but pound foolish.

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By: SeaWa http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/06/07/its-shortsighted-for-congress-to-eliminate-census-data/#comment-45791 Thu, 07 Jun 2012 23:59:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13001#comment-45791 Are you sure that the assumptions you make from this data are correct? Aggregated data makes life simple. Plug in a question and the answer spits out. Or does it? Your example of small business makes me think of the time that customers drove the business, not statistics.

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