Comments on: Terror born from rage http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: donnieholdfast http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57653 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 15:02:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57653 I wonder if the rage comes from being a collaborative monkey. As Viktor Frankl observed most of us are nice, a few on the other hand are nasty enough to end up “persona non-grata”. The uncle we don’t talk about because of his beastly nature. For the nice collaboration is a powerful competitive force for our species. Predators, both intra-species (those destined to be persona non-grata) and inter-species tend to shy away from small ad-hoc teams of nice people. Both, intra and inter species predators, see a lone person as easy prey. Our intra-species predators find 12 and more safe prey. For us nice there is safety in numbers and that number is about 5. Fairness is key to this collaborative advantage as a species. It allows more than two to work together and not be at all concerned about sharing the spoils of the effort. Again this does not scale up in numbers. It has to be small, 4 or 5 and maybe as much as 6. But fairness is key, not that every one agrees with what is fair. This is a very late in the evolutionary process forward. And some are not fair at all. So our DNA goes berserk if in perceives an unfair act. It will commit its host to suicide to do damage to what it believes is the intra-species predators actions. This can be easily faked by liars, those who should be persona non grata but instead get paid $1,000 an hour, who use false flags type tactics to get the DNA of nice people doing what they can not do on a sustained basis, kill. Only those nasty types, that Frankl saw rising the occasion, can kill on a sustained basis. Fairness is our species competitive advantage that is exploited by our intra-species predators, nasty people they are. The nasty are here for the good of the species, should we need an intra-species cull. It is their nature. That is their lot. You can read about them in Robert Hare’s book “Snakes in Suits, when psychopaths go to work, as Oil Executives and Cable News types with the highest ratings.

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By: zotdoc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57648 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 14:05:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57648 Holmes fits the profile for schizophrenia, young smart person suddenly drops out and then does something crazy. If any of the moviegoers had been armed this person could have been stopped and some of the patrons could have been saved, just as if any of the troops mowed down at the military base had been armed the fatalities would have been fewer.

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By: JRMessenger http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57604 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 03:06:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57604 LOSS OF HOPE IS AND HAS BEEN THE GREAT ISSUE OF OUR TIME for several decades now. The quoted Mark Ames is rather precisely correct. You don’t fix such things by simply labeling someone a “loner,” and then asking him or her to live a degraded, empty life. Society makes loners by excluding people as human and removing their hope. Hollywood adds to this by “proving” every day that the one and only interest of Americans is in killing one another. Where is the data to support this, and are there really any other forms of drama on TV? NO. A society cannot have its cake and eat it, too. If you instruct people daily that murder is the solution, then how can anyone be surprised at events like those in Colorado? What this man allegedly did does, in fact, occur in a somewhat similar fashion in the Batman film. Instead of such unrelenting violence, when are we going to teach ourselves once again how to go about solving problems, how to create new success, how to achieve a good and decent life? We’re either going to behave as a productive society or as a destructive mob. Right now, we think behaving as a mob is correct. Are we sure that’s the right answer? Is that what we got by driving this unfortunate and lost man over the edge?

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By: JayJay1855 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57596 Tue, 24 Jul 2012 02:07:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57596 Holmes is a statistical outlier and not a product of our changing society. His motives were his own and his method was meticulously thought out. Even the bombs he used in his home were of his own making. I would not presume to say he was lashing out at society because of his lack of vocational opportunities, or stressed as a result of inability to adapt. His actions are his own.

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By: Neil_McGowan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57580 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 21:23:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57580 One_Of_The_Sheep

[You like their decisions so much, you’re free to move there!]

I live in Europe, thanks. I would never live in the USA, ever – not for any reason whatsoever, not even if they paid me to move there. You can KEEP your gun-nut country.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57579 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 20:53:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57579 @Neil_McGowan,

Europe isn’t laughing at the USA. Norway had their massacre too.

Europe still expects/hopes the U.S. will bail out their perennial and unsustainable ratio of social benefits for too few hours and years “invested”. Yeah, how dumb do you have to be.

You like their decisions so much, you’re free to move there!

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By: Neil_McGowan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57577 Mon, 23 Jul 2012 19:59:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57577 Rather than waste our time writing new comments, let’s just save these old ones for the NEXT time a whackjob blows the lives of innocent people away?

Europe is laughing at you. Can the guns, huh? How dumb do you have to be?

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By: Greenspan2 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57486 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 20:10:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57486 It generally takes two components for these type of tragic and destructive episodes to occur. One is individual and the other is a collective, social component. Even under social duress such as the current financial crisis and dearth of opportunities for self sufficiency, careers, and personal fulfillment, most people continue to live “lives of quiet desperation”, as described by Thoreau, and manage to maintain their sanity and carry on. There are no exact factors which could either cause or prevent such tragedies, but recognizing that everyone has both individual and social needs as well as responsibility, suggests that societies cannot sacrifice one for the other.

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By: AuAgExpl http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57480 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 19:11:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57480 People have different ideas about what might have worked in this particular situation and how it could have been prevented. All I can say is that Holmes may have been stopped if somebody had fired back. He apparently didn’t put up a fight when the police arrived with their weapons. I can keep all 8 rounds of my compact 9mm in a 10″ diameter ring out to 15 yards. That’s drawing and firing quickly, not slow aimed fire from a bench. I suspect that if somebody hit Holmes in the chest, even with body armor, he would have withdrawn. Bottom line is that I would have tried to take him out before he took me out.

@TexasBill is right, even with extensive gun prohibitions, somebody determined to harm others will find a way. For example, if Holmes had used the explosives from his apartment, things might have been worse.

I’ll say it again: stand up and fight back – that basic principle has not changed in thousands of years and it works. Taking weapons away from law abiding citizens will just empower the criminals and the mentally disturbed. More police will not help either – they simply can not be everywhere, in spite of their best intentions.

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By: bivomaster39 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/07/20/terror-born-from-rage/#comment-57470 Sun, 22 Jul 2012 16:23:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13617#comment-57470 The comparison to the Odyssey is somewhat misapplied: in Odysseus’ case the suitors would stop at nothing til they had taken Penelope, Odysseus’s wife, with a strong political subtext, remember: Odysseus was the king of his island, and had been away for 20 years. He massacred the suitors because they never would have stopped trying to kill him. This doesn’t really match a modern mass-murder where the victims are not people who were hounding the perpetrator. What does that tell you? In our society all members expect to be treated like kings, and since their real “enemies” are invisible to them, they hold everyone they can find responsible in a devastatingly violent and futile fashion.

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