Comments on: Meatless Mondays can be patriotic, too http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: GA_Chris http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58831 Tue, 14 Aug 2012 13:03:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58831 Let’s not forget that most US beef contains hormones and anti-biotics, which have been proven to increase autism (US has highest rate in the world, hormones banned in most countries) and lead to early puberty for girls.

Eating vegetarian 2 days a week, and eating local, grass fed beef and other meats will not only lead to lower healthcare, healthier people, but will reduce our carbon footprint and support local, sustainable small farmers instead of large agri-businesses.
Seems like a no-brainer for the country, but obviously the large big bucks producers disagree at the expense of our health and small businesses

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By: PAndrews http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58779 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 10:56:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58779 It’s a welcome surprise to see Reuters running intelligent articles for a change!

Those people who, often with a quasi-religious fervor, attempt to push meat-eating as if it were some kind of ‘right’ forget two things.

First, these animals are usually raised and killed under extremely cruel conditions. Anybody buying meat is supporting and condoning this vile trade.

Second, these animals are fed on grain. Good quality plant protein is converted into a very much smaller amount of poor quality animal protein. This waste comes, effectively, from the mouths of the poorest and hungriest people in the world, who cannot afford to feed themselves because the grain has gone to feed chickens and cattle for human consumption.

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By: Neil_McGowan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58775 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 09:14:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58775 Go ahead, keep logging the forest so y’all can have another hog-roast, yee-haw!

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By: PAndrews http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58768 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 05:29:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58768 It’s a welcome surprise to see Reuters running intelligent articles for a change!

Those people who, often with a quasi-religious fervor, attempt to push meat-eating as if it were some kind of ‘right’ forget two things.

First, these animals are usually raised and killed under extremely cruel conditions. Anybody buying meat is supporting and condoning this vile trade.

Second, these animals are fed on grain. Good quality plant protein is converted into a very much smaller amount of poor quality animal protein. This waste comes, effectively, from the mouths of the poorest and hungriest people in the world, who cannot afford to feed themselves because the grain has gone to feed chickens and cattle for human consumption.

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By: TheUSofA http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58736 Mon, 13 Aug 2012 02:11:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58736 Gordon, “please stop meddling in things you know absolutely nothing about!” You’re not making sense.

With “friends” like you, hubris and stagnation would be the meme of today. Plus you completely overlook the fact that consumers choose the smaller more efficient vehicles being produced in other nations while hubris and stagnation (your position) reigned supreme in America.

Nice of you to completely ignore the obesity facts and related costs by the way.

Over one-third of all Americans are obese. So go ahead and eat as much as you like by all means. Just don’t go to any doctors or hospitals when that excess takes a toll on your body which then winds up driving the costs up for the rest of us. You see that’s entitlement, don’t kid yourself.

Trying to have a rational discussion about the problems obesity and how to fight it, well we’ll I’m sure you’ll be nowhere to be found.

What it’s interesting, there is an overlap of sentiment where the same crowd (which thinks it owns patriotism) would argue against affordable health care for the citizenry, crying out socialism! They don’t mind that the problems get worse, they also don’t want anyone else to do anything about it.
As for quasi-religious, you’re the only one that decides what qualifies as quasi-religious? Is it only your definition? One could say the same thing about you. Advocating for not doing anything is still advocating, there are consequences either way depending on the issue at hand. If your ignorance/religion takes a toll on me and others, then sorry, we’re gonna have to talk about it. Trying to have a rational discussion about issues in a dysfunctional America is near impossible. Quasi-religious, what a joke. Look in the mirror when you talk about quasi-religious.

The “world only revolves around me and my 10-foot radius only,” works both ways.

Also, it’s ‘we’ the people, not just ‘you’ the people. Tired of people thinking they own what it means to be an American or what patriotism means. I remember when the crowds cheered and marched along to the drumbeat towards war in Iraq for example, waving they’re flags high and accusing those who protested the war, those who argued against it, as being unpatriotic. Thinking they owned what patriotism meant. Good one.

The fact that the previous administration and the current one (Republican and Democrat) are shredding civil liberties, that gets more of a yawn today. They’re taking the meat away! Ridiculous exaggerations like these though have people up in arms, talking about principles of freedom, democracy and how govt should act. Quite the priorities.

As for ethics, you have got to be joking. Ethics should be a part of any undertaking. That’s a great deal of the problem today, a complete lack of morals and ethics coupled with short term thinking. Everything is me, me, me.

Then again, entitlement does run deep in America.

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By: TheUSofA http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58730 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 21:31:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58730 Gordon, “please stop meddling in things you know absolutely nothing about!” You’re not making sense.

With “friends” like you, hubris and stagnation would be the meme of today. Plus you completely overlook the fact that consumers choose the smaller more efficient vehicles being produced in other nations while hubris and stagnation (your position) reigned supreme in America.

Nice of you to completely ignore the obesity facts and related costs by the way.

Over one-third of all Americans are obese. So go ahead and eat as much as you like by all means. Just don’t go to any doctors or hospitals when that excess takes a toll on your body which then winds up driving the costs up for the rest of us. You see that’s entitlement, don’t kid yourself.

Trying to have a rational discussion about the problems obesity and how to fight it, well we’ll I’m sure you’ll be nowhere to be found.

What it’s interesting, there is an overlap of sentiment where the same crowd (which thinks it owns patriotism) would argue against affordable health care for the citizenry, crying out socialism! They don’t mind that the problems get worse, they also don’t want anyone else to do anything about it.
So what is quasi-religious? Is it only your definition? One could say the same thing about your stance. Advocating for not doing anything is still advocating, there are consequences either way depending on the issue at hand. I could say you’re effectively advocating for obesity and mindless consumerism all disguised as patriotism. “The world revolves around me and my 10-foot radius only,” works both ways. Trying to have a rational discussion about issues in a dysfunctional America is near impossible.

Also, it’s ‘we’ the people, not just ‘you’ the people. Tired of people thinking they own what it means to be an American or what patriotism means. I remember when the crowds cheered and marched along to the drumbeat towards war in Iraq for example, waving they’re flags high and accusing those who protested the war, those who argued against it, as being unpatriotic. Thinking they owned what patriotism meant. Good one.

The fact that the previous administration and the current one (Republican and Democrat) are shredding civil liberties, that gets more of a yawn today. They’re taking the meat away! Ridiculous exaggerations like these though have people up in arms, talking about principles of freedom, democracy and how govt should act. Quite the priorities.

As for ethics, it should be a part of any undertaking. That’s a great deal of the problem today, a complete lack of morals and ethics coupled with short term thinking.

But ENTITLEMENT RUNS DEEP in America, across the board.

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By: CDN_Rebel http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58728 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:00:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58728 I love how a simple suggestion about how America might better manage her agricultural resources turns into a govt mandate telling you what to eat. You people are daft in the extreme. It’s about as spurious as complaining that the First Lady suggests kids should eat more veggies instead of junk food.

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By: CDN_Rebel http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58727 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 20:00:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58727 I love how a simple suggestion about how America might better manage her agricultural resources turns into a govt mandate telling you what to eat. You people are daft in the extreme. It’s about as spurious as complaining that the First Lady suggests kids should eat more veggies instead of junk food.

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By: PAndrews http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58726 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 19:52:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58726 It’s a welcome surprise to see Reuters running intelligent articles for a change!

Those people who, often with a quasi-religious fervor, attempt to push meat-eating as if it were some kind of ‘right’ forget two things.

First, these animals are usually raised and killed under extremely cruel conditions. Anybody buying meat is supporting and condoning this vile trade.

Second, these animals are fed on grain. Good quality plant protein is converted into a very much smaller amount of poor quality animal protein. This waste comes, effectively, from the mouths of the poorest and hungriest people in the world, who cannot afford to feed themselves because the grain has gone to feed chickens and cattle for human consumption.

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By: Calfri http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/08/10/meatless-mondays-can-be-patriotic-too/#comment-58725 Sun, 12 Aug 2012 17:48:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=13831#comment-58725 TheUSofA

I’m not defending every subsidy for agriculture, esp. not the cotton subsidy. But to say that export subsidies are the main problem in Africa and other places where farmers are struggling is bologna. The reason farmers aren’t doing well in those places is they aren’t productive, and the reason they aren’t productive is they don’t have the tools and infrastructure they need. I read chunks of the WaPo articles you refer to, btw, and they are sadly one-sided.

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