Comments on: Fighting off the counterrevolution http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: bluepanther http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66521 Mon, 12 Nov 2012 20:45:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66521 Well it really worked out well for the Bolsheviks, didn’t it? After massacring millions and building an environmentally toxic heavy industry that fueled a grotesquely overextended military, they built an fearsome superpower that collapsed with a whimper. And their grandchildren and great-children became ruthless ultra-capitalist oligarchs that show utter contempt for the type of views expressed here by Schneider. What a bizarre article.

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By: Yaakovweeeeeee http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66388 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 18:34:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66388 Come on people. Kerry lost by a larger amount in 2004 and nobody was talking about a post mortem for the Democratic party and the Republicans took both houses then.

Elections have about a a .5% error rate in counting. Obama won by 1.4% This is nothing to write home about.

Abortion, healthcare, economy, education, immigration, religious rights, regulation, and the environment were all major issues.

Both sides lied about their opponent’s real positions and everyone knew it.

There were election irregularities.

Given all of those issues, coming to a conclusion about WHAT AMERICAN MEANT is impossible unless you ignore the laws of statistics. You people are blowing smoke.

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By: fordisbunk http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66375 Sun, 11 Nov 2012 11:27:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66375 The notion that the election of a candidate through the same political system that he started with is a “revolution”. It is quite obviously not by any meaningful sense of the term in political science. You have done some right wing mutters a service though by “confirming” their fears. Bravo! Well I guess you had to write something controversial in order to get published, no matter how utterly hyperbolic. I find it hard to understand why an accredited and credible University like George Mason would employ you.

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By: EricLafayette http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66363 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 18:48:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66363 Congratulation Bill Scneider for this excellent article that shows that for the first time the minorities themselves begin to understand and be convinced that they have the power to model their country the USA through Democracy

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By: trevorh http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66362 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 17:35:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66362 After a hard time sleeping at night.

I realize @AlkalineState has really put the nail in the coffin. You remind me of a lot of people that I met. I am really giving up on this ‘keyboard’ fight now.
As you said “But it doesn’t work that way and never will.”

It’s not just sad that bad things exist, the sadder part is that most people have no intention of fixing or containing it.

There will always be unfortunate people that are not needed, and there will also be fortunate people that are not needed either. The former grows in number, the latter grows in wealth and power. Both become the bigger and bigger baggage that the rest has to pull forward.

It’s sad, it’s annoying, it’s illogical. It gives me unease feeling and headache when my brain has to face and store illogical, inconsistent facts.

The ultimate comfort to my brain now is that, I can sit back and watch the imminent collapse.

False, inconsistent and illogical thing needs more false, inconsistent and illogical things to support it. You keep adding them up until the whole system gets to critical mass.

Enjoy the upcoming fireworks everyone…

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By: effersonian http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66357 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:43:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66357 Bill Schneider trivializes a human tragedy with this comparison. 10 million people died in the ensuing civil war following the Bolshevik Revolution. Half of those deaths were caused by starvation because the government could not efficiently distribute food. The other half came from murdering those that dared to defend their food supply, go on strike or otherwise resist.

I do not believe President Obama would want to be compared to Vladimir Lenin. However, if his supporters believe that this tragic moment in human history is an apt comparison then this is no longer a policy debate but one truly of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

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By: AdamSmith http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66338 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 07:04:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66338 @AlkalineState

Well said, as usual.

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By: trevorh http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66319 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:59:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66319 @AlkalineState

You can work hard, but if there are too many people with that skill, you will still get paid little. I have said it a lot, it’s work smarter, not harder.

From my experience, the salary of middle management is not decided only by the level of effort, skill you need to put in. Management also requires the “social skills”, the ability to give your subordinates a big smile, all those colorful words, the encouragement and laughter at the same time trying to work out a way to pay him as little as possible behind his back. Not a lot of people can do that “gutsiness” that you said well. Many don’t even want to do that kind of job.

Same thing with salesman, very well paid too. How much skills and education do you really need for it? But then do you have that “social skill” that tender tongue, that “gutsiness” to frequently make people sign into that (bad) deal?

Anyway, I need to stop criticizing people now, making too many enemies already.

Still, in the long run, any society that rewards, values and selects wrong people will collapse or stagnate or go in cycle because the wrong kind of people will prosper and multiply in that society. The wrong kind of people are not capable of moving that society forward, or even keeping it standing firmly.

There is no “Invisible Hand” that drives progress. Somebody, somewhere somehow has to put in the effort. At the beginning, the effort is just the simple thing that can be done a sheep with the hands, the muscle, hard work.

But then when the low hanging fruits are gone, even the hard work is automated by machine. Those bad jobs at McDonalds will not even be there for people to complain.

Then you need an extreme talent to reach to the higher tougher fruit. And the extreme talent will be smart enough to see through all the lies and injustice. The extreme talent will rather do the minimal, than to put in his best and be looked upon as an exploited fool.

If you think the extreme talent doesn’t know that he gets paid $8 an hour and you get 200k a year, you are sadly mistaken.

So in the end, nobody puts in the effort. No progress. Wait a minute, there is indeed no progress, no real economic growth, we are indeed stagnating.. :P

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By: LysanderTucker http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66318 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 02:53:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66318 Is a man any less a slave because he is allowed to elect his master every few years? There had to be a revolution to have a counterrevolution. There has been no revolution, just a lateral pass of the authoritarian football every 8 years to make you feel as though your vote meant something. The battle is not between right or left, conservative or liberal. It is between top and bottom, liberty and authority.

At least the 19th century revolutionary socialists had principles that they could define and argue intelligently. They held no if’s, and’s or but’s in their beliefs. They carried ideas to their logical conclusion and most important of all, they weren’t afraid to call things, including themselves, what they are, be it communist, socialist, protectionist or even anarchist.

What those ballots need is a box to check “Void Office” and be done with it.

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By: Joish http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/09/fighting-off-the-counterrevolution/#comment-66316 Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:31:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15441#comment-66316 Revolution is not an apt descriptor of Obama’s election. He is center-right overall and all his supposedly extremely liberal and socialist policies are far less liberal and socialist than what we’ve seen from the likes of LBJ or FDR. He just seem so far left because the Republican party has moved much farther right since the days of FDR and LBJ. Can anybody seriously see Republicans voting to create Medicare in this day and age?

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