Comments on: To see future electorate, look at California voters now http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: DanGo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67543 Thu, 29 Nov 2012 18:34:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67543 It isn’t the Republican platform – who’s values are more in-line with minorities – that’s the real problem. People – and human nature – have not changed. Minorities still favor traditional, church-based values.

Much of the blame is on the media which will not report truly nasty, hateful, outrageous remarks (and lies) and actions of Democrats the way they gleefully do with Republicans.
The media would have you’d think Republicans are your enemy and Democrats are your angels. (Hells angels are more like it.)

If all one hears is continuous hyped-up comments with the intent to inflame, is it any wonder many people will simply begin to believe it, rather than investigate the truth for themselves?

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By: saavym http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67248 Fri, 23 Nov 2012 17:19:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67248 @Gordon – wait wait, so buying products and exchanging funds all over the world is equivalent to a “local garage sale”? And a service that allows trade is bad because it doesn’t produce a physical product? I think that’s a rather limited economic view when these companies are racking in revenue.

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By: AZreb http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67246 Fri, 23 Nov 2012 12:56:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67246 Will California’s economy also be the picture of our other states’ economies in the future? Cities declaring bankruptcy, state budget in the red – doesn’t present a pretty picture.

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By: Gordon2352 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67235 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:43:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67235 @ JayJay —

The companies you mention are but a fraction of the once great power of the US economy, but examined closely both Apple and Intel have little more than a token presence in this country, HP is struggling to survive and also does much/most of its manufacturing overseas.

Ebay is nothing more than a glorified local “garage sale” which produces no product at all. Facebook and Yahoo are a “flash in the pan” that produce nothing of value either. And most of the aerospace industry that once called California home is no longer there, with Boeing now being the largest aerospace company and is mainly located in Seattle.

What you describe is what California is best known for worldwide — glitz and fantasy.

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By: streetview http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67234 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 13:20:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67234 Actually, California seems to be trending ahead both for the other 49 States, and for large parts of Europe, as well.

You are right to focus on tax policy – it is at the center of the debate. Republican “mythical thinking” on economics (Ronald Reagan), taxes (Howard Jarvis), fiscal policy, and ham-strung government were at first so appealing because it seemed to offer us the ultimate free lunch – pay no taxes, yet enjoy have all the comforts of a first-world society.

That was a misconception – we were really only living off our reserves. Now after 30 years of liquidating our national assets, eroding our infrastructure, shortchanging our schools, and degrading our entire society, the mask has come off, and we are no longer confronted by benign myth-tellers.

Today, we stand face-to-face opposite hard-core fanatics from the hedge funds and casinos of Wall Street and Las Vegas, leveraged takeover artists (Mitt Romney), Washington D.C. con men like Grover Norquist, and an assortment of snake-oil salesmen and radical pundits from Rush Limbaugh to the clown cast of Fox “News” brazenly pursuing their “starve government, then drown it in the bathtub” philosophy.

What a difference 30 years of experience can make! We now see how Republican policy drove us headlong into non-functional government, dilapidated cities, broken infrastructure, run-down schools, failing education, unaffordable public universities, and a wealth gap between the average working citizen and the 1%, or 0.1%, that is unknown in the rest of the industrial world, common only in third-world conditions of Africa and Latin America.

The one thing I find amazing is that this idea-bankrupt Republican Party can still get 53% of white voters to support them. Fortunately, the divisive, barely coded appeals to racism, ethnic hatred, misogyny, and sexual discrimination used to mobilize large parts of this “base” have also begun to backfire.

Today, the backward-looking Republican Party is losing ground in California, and increasingly across the country, because the real consequences of its hard-core economic policies have become transparent to us, and we reject them.

But Republicanism is also losing its grip on America because its divisive culture wars are finally creating enough blow-back to help us to meld a new, progressive, forward-moving coalition throughout our society and across our country.

We are in the process of remaking America, and it will be a great country we build — more just and more equal, with more liberty and freedom for all, than anything the Republican Party will ever have to offer.

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By: tmc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67233 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 11:02:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67233 What should be asked is; Would you want California to be a world superpower with the biggest guns in history? When America is a Latino nation, the other countries of the world will have to re-access their standing with us. In fact, that seems to be happening even now.

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By: JayJay1855 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67231 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 03:40:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67231 Yes, that horrible California with those crazy people that started companies like Apple Computer, Intel, HP, Ebay, Google, Facebook and Yahoo!..not to mention the vast entertainment and aerospace industries. I am not sure I could live in a world without California.

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By: bluepanther http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67229 Thu, 22 Nov 2012 01:49:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67229 California has become a one-party state, and, as with all one-party states, reality–especially fiscal reality–is ignored.

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By: Gordon2352 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/20/to-see-future-electorate-look-at-california-voters-now/#comment-67223 Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:41:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15651#comment-67223 Looking at California for the future of this nation is hardly reassuring.

A long time ago there used to be a popular saying (at least in the Midwest) that was both dismissive of, and accurately portrayed California for what it really is.

“A land of fruits and nuts”.

It has gotten a lot worse since then.

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