Comments on: GOP: Blame message not the messenger http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: QuietThinker http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67374 Wed, 28 Nov 2012 14:54:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67374 An excellent set of comments – well worth reading. Thank you Reuters readers.

@ brotherkenny4: I agree mostly agree with you. I would like to address your question: “I mean really, does anyone really believe that Dick Cheney believes in God?” I really don’t know about Dick Cheney personally. However, as for him and others of his ilk, some are just putting on political show but others often believe fervently in their own particular notion of God. We have all been told that God made us in his image, but unfortunately many turn that completely backwards. They create their notion of God that reflects their imperfections perfectly, and that is what they believe in.

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By: Whittier5 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67295 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 19:35:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67295 The neo-GNOP cannot change the message because the message IS the neo-GNOP.

Huntsman could not have Saved the neo-GNOP for while he would have pulled lots of Indies and some Dems, he would have lost an equal number of lunatic fringe.

Lee Atwater’s “Southern Strategy” doomed the old GOP to being a Party of haters, money-worshipers, backward thinkers, whacks and Confederates.

What the neo-GNOP’s received as the ROI for their expenditure of about $1B on the Election was about 10 points in the Presidential. That is the highwater mark of the neo-GNOP.

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By: Beobachter http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67291 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 18:28:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67291 They protect the 1 percent……

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By: brotherkenny4 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67289 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 17:31:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67289 Actually, the similarities between southern democrats and the wealthy business and industry owners of the north that support republicans is significant. Both believe that other people are a resource for them to use for their own enrichment. Also, the non-economic issues are not things the true leaders really believe in, they just use them to manipulate the religiously prepared flock. I mean really, does anyone really believe that Dick Cheney believes in God. They both believe that the ends justify the means and are willing to take whatever action is necessary to gain control, and thus wealth. So really, the southern racists belong in the republican party.

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By: Bob9999 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67281 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 14:24:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67281 @AlkalineState:

One comment is that what Kennedy knew how to do was to talk the civil rights talk. When it came to the walk, that was accomplished by Lyndon Johnson, who came from a poor background in Texas and who, as vice president, was derided by the people in the Kennedy White House as “Rufus Cornpone.”

Sammy Davis, Jr. worked tireless campaigning for Kennedy in 1960 and doing everything that he could to get African American voters to the polling places for the 1960 election, which Kennedy narrowly won. Immediately before the inauguration, Davis experienced the dissing of the 20th century when Kennedy’s assistance told Davis that he was not being invited to any inaugural events because, in that era of segregation, they did not want to offend the sensibilities of Southern Democrats. It was not long afterward that Davis changed his party affiliation to Republican.

Lyndon Johnson was not treated with much more respect than Sammy Davis, Jr., even though Johnson was probably the most experienced and gifted Washington insider of the 20th Century. Johnson had served in both the House and the Senate before becoming Vice President, and he was Senate Majority Leader. When he became President, he decided that his legacy would be the civil rights legislation (for which Kennedy is typically given credit). As the most experienced Capitol Hill politician on the planet at that time in history, Johnson was probably the only person who could have made that legislation pass. And he did so, even though fellow Southern Democrats told him they would leave the party if he succeeded. Perhaps, Johnson, who said he attended Southwest Texas State Teachers College because it was “the poor boys’ school” for kids whose families could not afford the University of Texas, had experienced enough slights from the higher strata of Southern society that he enjoyed throwing a monkey wrench in their system. But, whatever the reason, Johnson decided that he was happy to shove the civil rights legislation down the throats of his fellow Southern Democrats. As a result, they, like Davis, went over to the Republican party.

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By: spall78 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67280 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 13:56:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67280 I had a conversation last week with a bunch of my fellow educated 30-39 middle class friends. Every one of us was in complete agreement: we can’t wait to vote in the future wave of fiscally conservative, socially liberal candidates, which ever party they end up finding a home in. This is the combination of views the our generation is demanding; the bizarre pairing of fiscal and social conservatism makes no sense and needs to go.

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By: sylvan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67278 Tue, 27 Nov 2012 10:17:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67278 This was an excellent analysis, relying on facts and history instead of beliefs and feelings. To me, reliance on beliefs, regardless of their basis in facts, is the hallmark of today’s GOP, and their biggest downfall.

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By: benfct http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67277 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 23:20:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67277 I have a friend who put it pretty clearly. The Republican economic program works against the financial self-interest of most voters. Income distribution IS becoming less equal, economic mobility over one’s lifetime or even for the next generation IS diminishing. Therefore, the Republican economic program of less progressive taxation and fewer entitlements has to be associated with appeals to non-economic concerns, such as abortion, gun control, gay marriage, family values, and the like.

But more and more of the population is urban. They are not a part of a classic nuclear family, they know (or are)women who have needed abortions, they know (and like) some gay persons from work or elsewhere, they don’t own a gun.

The Republicans have to augment their non-urban base with some new segment of the population, and they have to find a segment that will not be put off by the non-economic Republican viewpoints, which are what hold non-urban voters to Republican candidates.

It sounds kind of hard. But I don’t sell them short, and I don’t doubt that they will find a promising avenue. Historically, it has tended to work that way.

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By: AlkalineState http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67275 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 21:56:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67275 The GOP will have to ditch the Klan sooner rather than later. Us democrats went through this 50 years ago when Kennedy, a Northern liberal, embarked on civil rights reforms and integration nationwide. The south abandoned the Democratic party and by 1980 was voting solidly republican. It hurts to lose that many voters in one block. In fact, the only thing that hurts more than losing the confederacy is keeping them around. But in the long run, it’s the best medicine.

America is changing continually, GOP. Lose the Klan or keep losing elections.

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By: scottabc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/11/26/gop-blame-message-not-the-messenger/#comment-67273 Mon, 26 Nov 2012 20:46:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15703#comment-67273 There are more than one reason for the two main parties to exist. The first being as a vehicle for advancing individual political careers. When looking at this reason for the Republican parties existence, it would seem clear that the party must move to the center and of course there are a some Republicans saying things to this effect. Another and maybe even more important reason for the two parties to exist is to advance the interests of the corporate elite. Both parties do a pretty good job of this but the Republicans have had a special role to constantly drag the whole field of political discussion rightwards. They have been pretty successful at this over the last couple decades and even if the strategy brings in diminishing returns I expect it to continue because it is so beneficial for the elites.

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