Comments on: Make-or-break moment for middle class http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: donee http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68839 Tue, 11 Dec 2012 16:11:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68839 It’s time to break the stranglehold that selfish few hold over the nation through entitlement to influence government actions and elections with wealth and to own news media when their control poses flagrant conflict of interest. Show me a nation that once had fair media, that conscience of nations and I’ll show you a nation that once had good government!

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By: DTX http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68309 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 14:10:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68309 I’m all for going off the fiscal cliff. It’s apparently the only way to reduce spending. Oh, and in 2-3 months I’m also for disapproving any increase in the federal deficit. That would certainly put a damper on any increases in spending. The problem with giving Washington any money is they’ll figure out how to spend 2X any revenues they receive. Therefore tax increases (to anyone) is entirely pointless.

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By: Foxdrake_360 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68302 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 09:11:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68302 Some one said about that neither trickle up or trickle down work. True.

However, this isn’t all that complicated. It really isn’t.

1) Allow the rich to make their money by starting business, not by buying bonds or t-bills and living off the 4%. Start a business make 8% profit keep 50% – that’s your 4 douche. Do better, keep more.

2) Tax them correctly. No loop-holes, no rates about 50%. Make them pay their fair share.

3) Government spending on projects that get the most “bang for the buck” – Smart Grid, Power-plants, Internet 3.0, Clean Energy (wind, solar, tidal, geo-thermal) – high speed raid – really high speed – mag-lev no more of this Acela BS. High quality commuter-rail everywhere. 20 minutes Atlantic City to Down-town Manhattan,

4) No more foreign wars of convenience. Assad uses chemical weapons on his own people? Oh well, sucks for them. Iran gets an A-Bomb and threatens Israel, sorry not my problem.

5) Cut all benefits to the rich. Net-worth over 2.5 million? Sorry, no medicare, social security – whatever.

6) No more welfare state. Period. Doesn’t work. No more Welfare, no more medicaid, no more of these BS programs for anyone. Too many live off it as a life-style (mostly drug users), it’s not enough to survive anyway and when the middle-class needs it, it’s never there – or one has to jump through 1000 hoops to get it.

7) Right to work, replaced with the right to UNION-IZE. Protections for BOTH the right of association and the right to workplace speech.

8) Reasonable regulation. Cut all the licenses and fees and silly government things that require 100 people to approve the painting of a bridge. BUT! and it’s a BIG “but” couple it with enough government inspectors to make sure the rules kept on the books for safety, quality and the environment are followed.

and so forth and so on…

you know a “COMMON SENSE” based system that actually works.

No more of this crazy insane Bovine Scat that’s been going on for 40 years.

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By: tougar http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68300 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 03:40:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68300 let’s let the government determine our fate. we can all have government jobs. (the largest employer in pittsburgh, pa is the government in one form or another)

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By: suzgalexy http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68299 Thu, 06 Dec 2012 02:39:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68299 There’s a big difference between an individual making $250K+ and a household income just reaching that threshold. My husband and I both work. We’re just one pay raise away from crossing that threshold, and would likely bring home less after the pay raise than before if the proposed tax increases take effect. We live in a modest home in a very average neighborhood. We commute long distances to work because we can’t afford the housing closer to work centers. We cannot afford to drive fancy cars and are (after all the fiscal upheaval) just making it month-to-month. The tax increase would hurt us in significant ways – unlike Mr. Obama who seems to think that we would continue living the same lifestyle after he takes what he thinks we don’t need, we would have to cut back. I thought wealthy would be $500+. Does the 2% apply to individual incomes? Because it hardly seems fair that I work so hard – very different from a family who has one income over $250K where the spouse can stay home to take care of the home and family. Seems like this new tax law punishes anyone in my position.

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By: xit007 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68296 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 22:47:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68296 OK – so why don’t you let small business pay for employees student loans – and means test the family of the employee. This allows a graduate and the employer to help each other – moving the graduate out of debt and the employer has a motivated employee. I am afraid – there is no one at home on the White House staff. There is not enough graft in helping the middle class – it is all talk.

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By: Crash866 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68290 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 20:37:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68290 Social Justice & Redistribution of Wealth…that will fix it….

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By: rob3rt http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68284 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 19:05:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68284 Let’s fast forward to a year, two years, five years from now–let’s pretend the fiscal cliff is averted, the rich have to pay 39.6% taxes, and no recession occurs BUT our deficit and thus our debt continues to grow. Then what are we doing to do? 50%, 75% 90% taxes?
The problem I have with the majority voting away money from a minority is that I can’t explain it in good faith to my 3rd grade son. Do you remember how the Virginia House of Burgesses said the inalienable rights were “life, liberty, and the pursuit of property?” Taking away people’s property is immoral. Stealing someting from someone, no matter how many people say it is okay, is NOT okay.
And even though we are desperately trying to reassure our creditors that we are going to be responsible and pay off our debt, this is not the solution.

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By: EthicsIntl http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68283 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 18:40:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68283 The 1% don’t give a darn about anyone else but themselves.
They are multinational (their bank accounts & business) and they will only invest where the high profits are, in third world countries, which we have almost become one ourselves, here in the US.
Fiscal cliffs and all else is just plain BS.

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By: zotdoc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/05/make-or-break-moment-for-middle-class/#comment-68279 Wed, 05 Dec 2012 17:52:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=15985#comment-68279 I am all for the middle class, since even though I make 250,000 a year I consider myself only upper middle class and not rich. I have yet to hear how raising taxes on people like me (or anyone actually) will help the economy. Supposedly this tax increase on the rich will generate 80 billion dollars a year, which is less than the money that could be saved in the medicare program if tort reform were enacted and is certainly a drop in the bucket with a two trillion dollar budget.Why not just not raise taxes on anyone till the economy recovers a little more. It seems that it is not the republicans alone, but also president obama who is gambling with the fiscal cliff over relative peanuts in the big picture.

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