Comments on: The right-to-work coup in Michigan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: TheNewWorld http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-69309 Sun, 23 Dec 2012 02:22:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-69309 @haiki

I negotiate my own salary. I don’t need a union. I produce better than union workers, and I get paid more, and have better benefits, than my union counterparts in my industry. Unions have done absolutely nothing for me. And I take great pride in doing absolutely nothing for them. Unions and organized crime have gone hand in hand throughout history. I feel overjoyed that they can no longer forcably take money out of the workers pockets in yet another state.

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By: haiki http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-69033 Sun, 16 Dec 2012 04:39:07 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-69033 Now we have got to go after this nonsense of “right to work”
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Governor Rick Snyder says, …. if workers see no “value” in unions they should not have to pay union dues.
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Oh! Happy Day for those workers who are attracted, not to those employment opportunities in a low wage job, but they do see this “value” in an employment opportunity making a good living wage, not having to pay their fair share in union representation. Not one penny, in recognition of the livable wage he or she is about to receive, and acknowledging some support for what unions fought for, and who will continue to fight for, health benefits, safe working conditions, retirement benefits, a living wage, worker representation.
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Realizing the “value” choice these workers made, with good safe working conditions and benefits, they can now feel secure in stable wages, and now, maybe for the first time, or in a long while, being able to feed and care for their families. Being able to purchase those things that a living wage offers. Living the American dream. Perhaps now, being able to put a down payment on a home? Being able to sleep at night. All this because he or she made the right “value” choice and decided to rather than take a job opportunity with lower wages, with no benefits, these workers realize without too much thought, there is a better “”value”” in the union environment, and with no union participation whatsoever to support the very environment that choices in what “value” offers. One which fosters good working conditions now, and into the future. The other without.
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My advice to those who it applies to, you make that job choice, but when you go to bed at night, before you fall asleep, think about your “values“ in not supporting those others who sacrificed and made it possible for you to enjoy and benefit in what your choice in “values” has made possible. Have a good sleep.
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I don’t understand, why is the police and fire unions exempt? Let’s make this fair for everybody while we are destroying this country.
Where is this “equal protection” of Article 1 of the Michigan Constitution speaks of?

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By: urukhai2 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68985 Sat, 15 Dec 2012 13:28:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68985 Some bullet points:
– Citizens United only allows conservatives to raise unlimited funds? Thanks for pointing that out. I didn’t see that in the legislation.
– if you were going to invest YOUR life savings to open a factory, would YOU choose a right to work state OR embrace the pleasures of dealing with unions?
– if unions are so benevolent, why would workers need to be FORCED to join? Wouldn’t they flock to unions voluntarily?
– if your employer is a foe, why work for him?
– are you an individual succeeding through merit or are you a faceless member of a social solidarity movement?
– what dangerous experiment have we embarked on? Freedom?

BTW – I have worked in a closed shop as well as in right to work states. My Career took off when I was allowed to work as an individual and my salary increased based on my merit, not on someone else negotiating for me. I now EARN multiple times what I made as a member of a union.

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By: Yaakovweeeeeee http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68960 Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:10:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68960 The bottom line is power. Large unions, large corporations, and large governments are all powerful. They are run by powerful people who enjoy their power.

None of them are very concerned about the needs of the workers.

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By: Chronicle236 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68953 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 22:00:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68953 Before retiring, I lived in a right-to-work state. And, though I’m pro-union, I believe in one caveat. Union membership should be a personal choice, not forced upon anyone. There should be no implied restriction saying any person “must” join a union in order to have a job. That’s what right-to-work is all about.

I was a union member for many years. But, I admit it was under the fanciful belief that union leadership had one and ONLY one purpose – to represent me and other members when it came time to negotiate wages, benefits, and job protection. Period. I quit the union only after it became clear that leadership was more concerned with spending my dues for other purposes … ie., giving grants or loans to other unions as a “sign of solidarity,” giving donations to politicians and PACs that I might not support, and spending lavish sums on conventions or junkets that could have been better spent on more (and better) attorneys skilled in management/labor negotiations.

When union leadership spends dues money on its core purpose – representation of membership on wage, benefit, and job protection issues … and ONLY on those issues … a union can be a worker’s best friend. Problem is, I don’t see too many unions today that do that. Therefore, right-to-work laws are an important tool to force unions to “earn” their membership by deeds, not just by their mere existence in the workplace.

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By: wigglwagon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68952 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:28:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68952 Right to work laws are just one of the tools business uses to drive down wages and destroy benefits for American workers.

For 50 years, Republicans fought to protect business from the greed of workers and Democrats fought to protect workers from the insatiable greed of employers. That worked pretty good. About 40% of workers were represented by unions and during that time America built the biggest and most prosperous economy the world has ever seen. Unfortunately, K Street finally got through to the Democrats and for the last 30 years both Democrats and Republicans have helped business use free trade, illegal immigration, union busting, and deregulation to increase profits by driving down wages and destroy benefits for American workers.

Even that worked okay for a while but that strategy has now caught up with itself. Business increased their profits for a while but they also broke their own customers. Now, neither businesses nor workers prosper.

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By: moonhill http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68951 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 21:03:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68951 Of course it is about politics. Unions always use their coerced union dues to fund Democrats, who in turn give them political favors. You notice how bankruptcy laws were preverted when Obama bailed out GM? Who cares about the investors, we have to make sure inflated union pay/benefits don’t suffer.

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By: keebo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68949 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 18:49:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68949 Unions = waste

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By: xit007 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68945 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 17:22:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68945 Unions serve their purpose – but this article is another spinning of yarns about the solidarity and yes how unions solved racism. Everything the liberals put out there has to pull the race card. Unions abuse of tinkering with production and overreach of power has strangled the very people who they were meant to help. Time has moved on and we are not competitive – sorry but when a guy turns a wrench on a production line and can afford a summer home in Florida – there is something askew here. The market determines value and people make their own decisions about what they want to do in life and are paid accordingly. OSHA protects workplace safety, labor lawyers protect employees. If you want a union and see value in it – then join one. Unfortunately – they have become an extension of the corrupt and liberal Washington crowd – playing with the labor force and stuffing the pockets and ballot box of the democrats. It is a charade they gladly join until they have destroyed an industry and their children’s future. We as a country won’t have a pot to pee in if something doesn’t change – drastically in Washington. There are problems in any system – but I choose freedom.

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By: JimT46 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2012/12/13/the-right-to-work-coup-in-michigan/#comment-68933 Thu, 13 Dec 2012 15:31:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=16207#comment-68933 The entire argument posted by the author assumes that workers will flee the unions in droves. How else can the unions lose the funds they need to continue to buy government votes? If workers would rather take the job offers that a business puts forth than to pay union dues, something is horribly wrong with the unions. The unions want the choice to be “join or starve”. In a free society they choice should be “join us and get a better deal or take what the company offers”. The choice should always belong to the working man.

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