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	<title>Comments on: GOP and the blue state budget time bomb</title>
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		<title>By: auger</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/01/16/gops-and-blue-states-budget-time-bomb/comment-page-1/#comment-70099</link>
		<dc:creator>auger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 19:16:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>We already got our blue-state bailout from Republicans, of all people. Thank you Governor Christie</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We already got our blue-state bailout from Republicans, of all people. Thank you Governor Christie</p>
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		<title>By: COindependent</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/01/16/gops-and-blue-states-budget-time-bomb/comment-page-1/#comment-70075</link>
		<dc:creator>COindependent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:31:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having residents in states that demonstrate fiscal responsibility bail out those who are irresponsible?  Help me with that.  That&#039;s tantamount of me covering my neighbors mortgage because he made commitments he cannot fulfill.  Bail out a pension program in states where the employees get compensation, benefits and retirement significantly better than those doing the same job in the private sector?  Probably not.

For those preaching the &quot;red state&quot; welfare, I have a proposition for you.  Let&#039;s reduce the taxes my state provides and receives to/from the federal government &quot;dollar for dollar&quot;.  But t the federal government must rescind all mandates with the funding they  currently provide.  Get out of our schools, health care, highways, public transportation, welfare....etc. and let us manage and fund  it on our own.  

That also means that I don&#039;t pay to rebuild the Atlantic City Boardwalk, water proof the NYC subways, and all the other local &quot;benefits&quot; in the $60 billion Hurricane Sandy bailout.  I don&#039;t have a problem helping the people in NY and NJ getting back on their feet, but the Boardwalk should have been insured, and the NY Subway folks have known for years that the subway system was exposed and did nothing about it.  That&#039;s not a crisis, it&#039;s irresponsibility.

If the folks in NY, NJ and IL want to fund massive benefit programs for their citizens, let them fund it.  If not, they would have that choice also.  But don&#039;t ask someone living outside your boundaries to fund irresponsibility where I don&#039;t even get to vote on it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Having residents in states that demonstrate fiscal responsibility bail out those who are irresponsible?  Help me with that.  That&#8217;s tantamount of me covering my neighbors mortgage because he made commitments he cannot fulfill.  Bail out a pension program in states where the employees get compensation, benefits and retirement significantly better than those doing the same job in the private sector?  Probably not.</p>
<p>For those preaching the &#8220;red state&#8221; welfare, I have a proposition for you.  Let&#8217;s reduce the taxes my state provides and receives to/from the federal government &#8220;dollar for dollar&#8221;.  But t the federal government must rescind all mandates with the funding they  currently provide.  Get out of our schools, health care, highways, public transportation, welfare&#8230;.etc. and let us manage and fund  it on our own.  </p>
<p>That also means that I don&#8217;t pay to rebuild the Atlantic City Boardwalk, water proof the NYC subways, and all the other local &#8220;benefits&#8221; in the $60 billion Hurricane Sandy bailout.  I don&#8217;t have a problem helping the people in NY and NJ getting back on their feet, but the Boardwalk should have been insured, and the NY Subway folks have known for years that the subway system was exposed and did nothing about it.  That&#8217;s not a crisis, it&#8217;s irresponsibility.</p>
<p>If the folks in NY, NJ and IL want to fund massive benefit programs for their citizens, let them fund it.  If not, they would have that choice also.  But don&#8217;t ask someone living outside your boundaries to fund irresponsibility where I don&#8217;t even get to vote on it.</p>
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		<title>By: VenturaCaptalst</title>
		<link>http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/01/16/gops-and-blue-states-budget-time-bomb/comment-page-1/#comment-70071</link>
		<dc:creator>VenturaCaptalst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 14:48:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;a deal that even the most conservative House member should seriously consider – and not be faulted for accepting.&quot;

So the stinking democrats create two stinking messes and then THEY hold out fixing one of the messes as a bargaining chip for making the other mess worse. 

And we should seriously consider this. Yeah, right.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;a deal that even the most conservative House member should seriously consider – and not be faulted for accepting.&#8221;</p>
<p>So the stinking democrats create two stinking messes and then THEY hold out fixing one of the messes as a bargaining chip for making the other mess worse. </p>
<p>And we should seriously consider this. Yeah, right.</p>
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		<title>By: Leftcoastrocky</title>
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		<dc:creator>Leftcoastrocky</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 03:45:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>the red states need to focus on education and health care where they are severely lagging.

(For example, of the top ten public universities half are in California)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>the red states need to focus on education and health care where they are severely lagging.</p>
<p>(For example, of the top ten public universities half are in California)</p>
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		<title>By: krimsonpage</title>
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		<dc:creator>krimsonpage</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This article is worse than their last. 

I have no problem with lower taxes, especially my own. As a Republican, I have issue with Messrs Norquist and Gleason (which I gather is now two heads on one body) telling that Rep Issa is foward-thinking when he proposes law that any constitutional lawyer would tell you is a piece of garbage.

Is there any reason we cannot go back to Eisenhower rates? Can you just imagine how he would be treated these days? I imagine not enough of my fellow Republicans understand what real sacrifice is about. I hear it preached often, practiced little.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This article is worse than their last. </p>
<p>I have no problem with lower taxes, especially my own. As a Republican, I have issue with Messrs Norquist and Gleason (which I gather is now two heads on one body) telling that Rep Issa is foward-thinking when he proposes law that any constitutional lawyer would tell you is a piece of garbage.</p>
<p>Is there any reason we cannot go back to Eisenhower rates? Can you just imagine how he would be treated these days? I imagine not enough of my fellow Republicans understand what real sacrifice is about. I hear it preached often, practiced little.</p>
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		<title>By: eatingdogfood</title>
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		<dc:creator>eatingdogfood</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:22:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Democratic Hustler Politicians + Corrupt Greedy Unions = BANKRUPTCY BABY!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Democratic Hustler Politicians + Corrupt Greedy Unions = BANKRUPTCY BABY!</p>
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		<title>By: x23evets</title>
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		<dc:creator>x23evets</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 18:17:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>States with the largest budget shortfall:
California $21,300 
Illinois 17,000 
New Jersey 10,500 
Texas 10,000 
New York 8,200 
Connecticut 3,800 
Minnesota 3,800 
North Carolina 3,000 
Ohio 3,000 
Florida (tie) 2,500 
Oregon (tie) 2,500 

I don&#039;t see the trend by govorning party affiliation. While I agree something needs to be done and I support this plan, the partisan tone is misguided. I can&#039;t stand the blame game that has been going on for the past 5 years. Lets agree that its everyones fault and actually do something to fix it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>States with the largest budget shortfall:<br />
California $21,300<br />
Illinois 17,000<br />
New Jersey 10,500<br />
Texas 10,000<br />
New York 8,200<br />
Connecticut 3,800<br />
Minnesota 3,800<br />
North Carolina 3,000<br />
Ohio 3,000<br />
Florida (tie) 2,500<br />
Oregon (tie) 2,500 </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the trend by govorning party affiliation. While I agree something needs to be done and I support this plan, the partisan tone is misguided. I can&#8217;t stand the blame game that has been going on for the past 5 years. Lets agree that its everyones fault and actually do something to fix it!</p>
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		<title>By: tmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 16:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@pavoter1946 if you were refering to me, then I was just say&#039;in that @jcfl was quite funny.  If you look at the pictures it&#039;s even spooky. Oh, and yeah, we should get the politians pensions back too.  Just say&#039;in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@pavoter1946 if you were refering to me, then I was just say&#8217;in that @jcfl was quite funny.  If you look at the pictures it&#8217;s even spooky. Oh, and yeah, we should get the politians pensions back too.  Just say&#8217;in.</p>
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		<title>By: pavoter1946</title>
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		<dc:creator>pavoter1946</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 15:35:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You mean the fact that Red States get back far more in federal revenue then they send to Washington in taxes is not a bail out to Red States?

But I think it is no secret that a number of the Red State Governors who want to eliminate income and corporate taxes and shift to sales taxes for revenue want to wage war against the poorer citizens, who do have to spend everything to survive.

Now kick unionized government workers, and that can be a trifecta for the wealthy.

But how much of the pension gap has been the result of a more then decade long pattern of very low interest rates, that prevent pension funds from growing at the expected rate if interest rates were more in line with historical trends?

Yes, there needs to be reforms in government pensions, so that a person doesn&#039;t retire with hundreds of thousands of dollars in unused sick pay, etc.  But reforms cannot hit prior agreed to benefits, and many States are moving forward in curbing those excesses for future employees.

But how about reforms in the extremely generous retirement packages the elected officials vote for themselves?  Yes, even in red states.  Greed is greed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You mean the fact that Red States get back far more in federal revenue then they send to Washington in taxes is not a bail out to Red States?</p>
<p>But I think it is no secret that a number of the Red State Governors who want to eliminate income and corporate taxes and shift to sales taxes for revenue want to wage war against the poorer citizens, who do have to spend everything to survive.</p>
<p>Now kick unionized government workers, and that can be a trifecta for the wealthy.</p>
<p>But how much of the pension gap has been the result of a more then decade long pattern of very low interest rates, that prevent pension funds from growing at the expected rate if interest rates were more in line with historical trends?</p>
<p>Yes, there needs to be reforms in government pensions, so that a person doesn&#8217;t retire with hundreds of thousands of dollars in unused sick pay, etc.  But reforms cannot hit prior agreed to benefits, and many States are moving forward in curbing those excesses for future employees.</p>
<p>But how about reforms in the extremely generous retirement packages the elected officials vote for themselves?  Yes, even in red states.  Greed is greed.</p>
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		<title>By: tmc</title>
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		<dc:creator>tmc</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 14:25:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Now that&#039;s just funny...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#8217;s just funny&#8230;</p>
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