Comments on: Brennan, ‘Zero Dark Thirty’ and the torture firestorm http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/07/brennan-zero-dark-thirty-and-the-torture-firestorm/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: LucasCorso http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/07/brennan-zero-dark-thirty-and-the-torture-firestorm/#comment-71357 Wed, 06 Mar 2013 16:47:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=17756#comment-71357 If Zero Dark Thirty left viewers with “the impression” that torture “was key” to finding bin Laden, then it is the viewers’ fault. Because Zero Dark Thirty objectively doesn’t create that impression.

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By: Adam_Smith http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/07/brennan-zero-dark-thirty-and-the-torture-firestorm/#comment-70715 Sat, 09 Feb 2013 15:56:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=17756#comment-70715 I hope people will understand that Bush Administration CIA officials like John Brennan and Jose Rodriguez have an interest in self justification that renders their views on “enhanced interrogation” extremely biased. I predict that after many more years pass and those that remain are old men and the last remote possibility of prosecution has fully ended that one or more of these CIA insiders will come clean and admit that they did was wrong and that they lied about what they did in order to cover themselves.

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By: GuyMontag999 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/07/brennan-zero-dark-thirty-and-the-torture-firestorm/#comment-70697 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:42:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=17756#comment-70697 “As former CIA interrogator Tony Camarino, who conducted some 300 interrogations in Iraq, explained…”

Correction: Tony Camerino (not Camarino)was an Air Force interrogator (not CIA) assigned to JSOC’s Task Force 145 for three months in 2006. He wrote two books about his experience and key role in the interrogations that led to Zarqawi (and other insurgent leaders) under the pen name of “Matthew Alexander.”

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By: GuyMontag999 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/02/07/brennan-zero-dark-thirty-and-the-torture-firestorm/#comment-70695 Thu, 07 Feb 2013 14:32:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=17756#comment-70695 “General Stanley McCrystal, in his recent memoir, My Share of the Task, writes that when hunting Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, the leader of al Qaeda in Iraq, U.S. forces captured a group of high-level detainees. Assuring the detainees that there would be no abuse, the U.S. interrogators gained their trust, and “confronting them in moral language,” obtained much useful information.”

Someone should ask McChrystal why his portrayal of the JSOC interrogations that led to Zarqawi totally contradicts the accounts of Mark Bowden in his 2007 Atlantic Monthly piece “The Ploy.”

Bowden wrote that “the real story is more complicated and interesting.” And, his story is backed up by Mark Urban in “Task Force Black” (“multiple sources have confirmed to me the accuracy of Bowden’s article”) and interrogator Matthew Alexander in “How to Break A Terrorist” (“We found Zarqawi in spite of the way the task force did business”).

McChrystal’s “official story” portrays a false account of Mubbassir’s interrogation that led to the killing of Zarqawi. Supposedly JSOC interrogators Amy, Jack and Paul developed rapport and trust with him over the course of several weeks and rewarded him with breakfast. Later, they listened to the radio together and ate ice cream! (McChrystal, p. 210-211).

However, in reality, Alexander wrote how all three of these interrogators were “the old guard, who were at Guantanamo and did previous tours in Afghanistan and Iraq. They believe in fear-and-control methods but now they’re being forced to play by the rules … They’ve never built rapport with these guys, gotten to know them as people or earned their trust. Why do they think any of their strategies are going to work?”

Alexander wrote (p. 185, “How to Break a Terrorist”) about Paul [Lenny] saying, “****ing muj. Just show him who is boss.”…“Sympathy won’t work. Control 101 is the first lesson in interrogation”…”Tear down his self-respect.” Your’re Totally Screwed routine.” But, McChrystal would have his readers believe that this is the same guy who hung out with Mussabir eating ice cream and listening to the radio!

Alexander had to do an end-run around JSOC to get the key intel from Mussabir; he got in just a few hours what JSOC’s “best” interrogators had failed to get in three weeks!

For details, see the chapter, “That’s One Dead SOB” in “Never Shall I Fail My Comrades” — The Dark Legacy of Gen. Stanley McChrystal, posted at the Feral Firefighter blog.

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