Comments on: Income inequality is increasingly “permanent” http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: MarkRittman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-72181 Wed, 24 Apr 2013 14:42:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-72181 ‘“The rich are getting richer and staying richer. The poor are getting poorer and staying poorer.” this prof should walk to the near building where there are biology profs as well.

Those profs will tell him, the rich are marrying people with better genes and are making better offsprings and the poor are marrying people with worse genes and making worse offspring.’

These Biology Phd’s must have some of the worst genes then as they have been among the hardest hit by recent economic trends. Tenured jobs are very hard to find for recent PhD’s, and many that do find jobs are working as associate professors for under 30k per year.

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By: ddccc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71769 Tue, 26 Mar 2013 13:56:08 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71769 KyleBecker’s attack on the Government can be improved with a circular blame game. Non of these parties: Government, the press/media and the public is willing to even articulate the root cause of the growing difference in cognitive skills between the top and bottom 50%: the
system’s century long unconditional generosity to help survival of the un-fittest. No doubt you must have recoiled in disgust when you read the previous sentence.

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By: KyleBecker http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71754 Mon, 25 Mar 2013 14:10:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71754 As usual with you putzes, nothing is ever the government’s fault. Nothing more needs to be said, because you fools are hopeless.

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By: BEandDO http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71745 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 17:33:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71745 Many relevant points have been made in this discussion.

Though many of us feel fear and worry about our future, and keep on working harder and harder within the system, few of us realize the extent to which the people have been enslaved. Getting on in life has consisted of adopting beliefs about society, taking a position in that society and accepting the ‘rules’ for advancement, without questioning who made those rules. This behaviour has progressively distracted us from understanding who we really are.

Perhaps some of us have wondered why humans are the only creatures on this earth that have to work to stay alive. Perhaps you have spent some of your ‘free time’ investigating our true life’s purpose. Perhaps some of us have started to wake up to what is actually happening, through watching films such as Thrive: What on Earth will it take? www.thrivemovement.com

We may have wondered why we feel so powerless against so many actions taken by authorities. For those of you in this space, I would like to bring to your attention the status quo with regards to the system:

We are better off taking full personal accountability for ourselves and for our actions.

Please take a look at The Peoples Trust 1776 http://peoplestrust1776.org
and the One Peoples Public Trust http://oppt-in.com

Review the information posted there and check in with your true self.

In love and light.

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By: ddccc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71744 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 15:23:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71744 Regarding 4ngry4merican’s “But with the worst socioeconomic mobility amongst all developed nations in the world that opportunity no longer exists”, Please note that trevorh explained already in the beginning the root cause of the decreased socioeconomic mobility:
“… the rich are marrying people with better genes and are making better off springs and the poor are marrying people with worse genes and making worse offspring.
The economic inequality is simply the symptom.”
The 20th century created a society stratified by (heritable) cognitive skills. Desperate attempts to fix this with additional education efforts fail. Can’t fix the genes yet. Sorry.

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By: AZreb http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71743 Sun, 24 Mar 2013 14:34:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71743 Middle income jobs – those paying $13+ per hour – have decreased by 60%. Lower-income jobs have increased by 58%. Way back when (I am 76) people worked in companies for their entire working lives, the SAME companies. Now it is increasingly common for someone to work for a number of companies before retirement.

Insecurity = fear. Fear can = desperation. Grab any job available for fear of not being able to pay your bills, support your family.

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By: 4ngry4merican http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71737 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 15:25:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71737 Tougar: “There are many that come from low income environments and succeed and there are many that are handed the keys to wealth and fail.”

No, no there’s not. That’s the whole point of this article, which I’m guessing you ddin’t even bother to read. If the situations you describe actually existed then we would not be where we are today. We “liberals” have never and will never ask for everyone to earn the same, only for the opportunity to move up that socioeconomic ladder. But with the worst socioeconomic mobility amongst all developed nations in the world that opportunity no longer exists, despite Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio’s best efforts to convince us otherwise.

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By: ddccc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71735 Sat, 23 Mar 2013 02:09:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71735 Final comments.

Ryan McCarthy’s article is just out many of the ‘stirring the pot’ variety. It confuses at the end the key topic (divergence of income) with the decades old refrain “The rich are getting richer …. The poor are getting poorer …”. Rich or not is marginal in what the
Great Divergence discussion is about: why are bottom majorities in welfare states not able to earn their fair share so that they must depend on a wide array of government transfers?

Most contributions above are hardly a dialog and are just venting of opinions (“I really don’t think …”) without substantiating arguments with as exceptions: selective mating, immigration of ‘wrong’ people/ importing poverty, globalization/outsourcing and the unfortunate side-effect of public education.

Let me zoom out and give you folks one more cause for the indeed sorry state of affairs in our welfare states. Survival of the fittest has been bad news. The 20th century can be characterized as doing everything possible to compensate for its unfairness with a whole slew of generous, sympathetic, social welfare programs. The bottom 50% has repeatedly over several generation disproportionally benefited and has out breaded the top 50%. The genotypic IQ bell curve has shifted to the left as a result. The magnitude of this shift is still under discussion in academic circles. Combine this effect with the planet’s shrinking per capita resources – of which the US is a very greedy customer. One can keep arguing over the fair distribution of a shrinking pie for a growing number of consumers, but why not
discussing that our >>>unconditional<<< generosity has been and is only increasing the needs … and needs to change?

Case closed. Over and out.

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By: ddccc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71724 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 21:26:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71724 Sure flashrooster! Every one can agree with you that:
– the top 5% pay the most taxes (actually more than 50%) because they have the most money (actually they >earn< the most money)
– those making below a certain amount don’t pay INCOME taxes because they don’t make enough money.

What is your point? The issue here is: WHY do we have now a bottom majority that consumes more in social services than what they pay in taxes? Why does this majority not have enough marketable skills?

No flashrooster! It is NOT the case that “they pay plenty of other taxes”. Payroll taxes are not taxes; they are co-payments for the premiums of government run pension and healthcare insurance services (often heavily subsidized by employers who have been forced into
‘solidarity’ – yet another free social service).

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By: ddccc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/03/21/income-inequality-is-increasingly-permanent/#comment-71723 Fri, 22 Mar 2013 20:47:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=19020#comment-71723 Sanity-Monger wonders whether cause and effects were changed in my list of disasters at the bottom. Certainly not. Please explain otherwise, for example, how “About 30 years ago, the wealthy started
re-writing the rules …” caused current parents having kids they cannot feed. There are many causes for the “Great Divergence” among which:
– IT automation (the next round of the industrial revolution)
– Inability to up-school the population
– Relentless population growth and non-scaling of good jobs
– Global per capita resource constraints that cannot be compensated any longer with process improvement
– Public education (!)
Let me explain the surprising last one. There was plenty of hidden smarts in the 1900 population. (You were stupid because you were poor.) Public education has fished that out these cognitive resources
and pushed them upwards. Cognitive resources inherit and in combination with more selective mating we obtain now: you are poor because you are stupid. Very unfortunate indeed.
There are additional forces at work, but this should be enough …

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