Comments on: Party opinion usurps public opinion http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Kailim http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72802 Thu, 23 May 2013 14:58:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72802 Thank you, OneOfTheSheep.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72797 Thu, 23 May 2013 06:23:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72797 What’s wrong should be obvious. As Walt Kelly said in his Pogo comic stripyears ago, “We has met the enemy and he is us”.

“We, the people” have become too lazy or unwilling to think for ourselves. We shirk our responsibility to be an informed voter, and so allow ourselves to be led. Unfortunately, all who would lead us have their own “agenda” and it is seldom to their benefit or that of the average taxpayer.

Neither the elephant nor the donkey have a monopoly on clear thinking, or even good faith debate and negotiation. The “magic solution” to America’s problems, every one of them, is consensus. There is a “minimum level” of consensus below which our form of government cannot function. That line has been crossed.

In war consensus is imposed from the top down. Those deemed of appropriate ability and experience put forth their ideas, there is give and take, and major goals are adopted which all then support and plans to achieve them are formulated and implemented. The sense of urgency and uncertainty makes the process quick of necessity.

Periods of debate are structured and limited. Legitimate concerns are voiced, considered, and included as appropriate or eliminated. Thereafter available time and resources are prioritized and everyone moves forward as one team pulling in the same direction.

In peace we fall victim to two illusions that are absolutely false. The first is that there is no urgency. Because none have time without limit or an unlimited “attention span” it should not be an option to accomplish nothing, and yet nothing is probably the most common outcome of meetings.

The second is the popular but fraudulent illusion that every one of us is equal. That ideal has never been true. We all know those we believe smarter and dumber than ourselves. We see those more beautiful or handsome and less. We see those who earn more or less. So we absolutely know that “equality” is an illusion.

And yet in pursuit of such abstract ideals we allow ignorant people to interrupt and divert our concentration. Such has become an effective tactic to delay necessary decisions and related implementation.

In war separating the mental “wheat from the chaff” and the heat from the light is pretty much a matter of are we “on course” and “on schedule”, and, if not, why? In civilian government one person’s needs are another’s wants, and vice versa. Few admit that “our” representatives’ highest priority is NOT to serve “we, the people”. It is instead to be reelected again and again.

“We, the people” were originally represented by “citizen-legislators”. Each had to be prosperous to afford to travel to their capitol to serve one or two terms, largely at their own expense. They tended to of the landed elite, but relatively selfless and intelligent individuals; each intimately concerned with the well being of their country.

Today those “representing” us are “political professionals”. These climb the greasy pole to higher office only by attracting the support of wealthy donors, and the medium of exchange for such support is influence. Since the influence of each “representative” is finite, that which they bargain away to win nomination and election is the very same influence they are supposed to wield on behalf of “we, the people”. So today “we, the people” again face “taxation without representation” because “our representatives” are wholly beholden to others. Is it any wonder that again and again we find ourselves increasingly victimized by our own government?

At some point in some manner there must be honest good faith debate between liberals and conservatives as to what kind of society we want THAT WE AN AFFORD. What we have is agreed by one and all to be fiscally unsustainable, and yet Congress continues to spend without budget and without limit believing “if the spend it we must pay”. Each side of the aisle blames the other, and gets reelected again and again. We continue to do the exact same thing and expect different results.

It is long past time to stop the merry-go-round and get off. It is time to reach consensus as to our greatest needs, and to prioritize available funding to achieve them as best possible. Without agreement as to the amount of government we need and what it must accomplish, there is no limit to the eventual size of our government or the funding it will demand from our economy. Failure is not an option.

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By: mikemm http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72787 Wed, 22 May 2013 16:04:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72787 Capitalism has replaced what’s left of our representative government. Elections are down to the two main brands and a few small ones. The winning of elections has really come down to advertizing, marketing, and building a brand for the lion’s share of the voters.

It’s sad that we as a nation for so many are too buzy, preoccupied, or whatever to pick the best people for the jobs and just opt for party affiliation.

I still feel that it’s my civic responsibility to vote for each office individually. Even if that does end up as one party over the other for most or all offices, it wasn’t done on that criteria alone.

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By: BidnisMan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72785 Wed, 22 May 2013 14:09:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72785 Oh. And fractional reserving regulated at 2:1 or something similar. Fiat money must be limited in supply constituionally.

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By: BidnisMan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72784 Wed, 22 May 2013 14:07:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72784 The trend cannot continue. At some point something has to snap: The Republicans and Democrats have seemingly failed Americans. My proposed solution: Start a new party who: 1. Makes lobbying illegal. 2. Outlaws campaign contributions in excess of a thousand dollars. 3. Regulates banks properly (mortgage backed securities only). 4. Allows treatment of highly divisive issues to be determined at a local level (i.e. city or country level)- abortion, guns, gays and immegrants – make it a local debate. 5. Vow to stop the everlasting ‘cold war’ (now called the war on terror). 6. Has a 100% estate tax for any amounts over R10 million dollars (ask Bill Gates – over a certain amount money does not matter). 7. regrains from economic manipulation (no more fractional reserving, controlling interest rates, manipulating currencies, subsidizing land purchases). 8. Stays out of cultural activities – sport, religion – hands off please! 9. Have a policy of complete transparancy on every decision made. 10. Have a 50/50 policy on economic vs. ecological and a 50/50 policy on jobs vs. cheap imports. Ok – I understand that most people are too lazy to change the way they think and the elephant and the donkey are here to stay – but I for one support a third way.

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By: Kailim http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72782 Wed, 22 May 2013 12:44:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72782 This article enlightens me. It tells me that political propaganda is very effective in America. This contradicts my understanding and experience with America’s high education which is more heuristic than indoctrinating compare with ours. I don’t know what’s wrong.

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By: thoughtfulbear http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/05/21/party-opinion-usurps-public-opinion/#comment-72762 Tue, 21 May 2013 21:11:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=20660#comment-72762 Brings to mind a line from an old rock song: “When two tribes go to war…”

Maybe these “tribes” (more than two, alas), that so hue to “party opinion” as to totally exclude that of the public that sent them to govern, ought to be shipped off to the proverbial desert island and left to have it out there – well beyond the ability to ever again cause harm to the public they never heeded.

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