Comments on: Big wins for the freedom to marry. Now let’s finish the job. http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/06/26/big-wins-for-the-freedom-to-marry-now-lets-finish-the-job/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: EconCassandra http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/06/26/big-wins-for-the-freedom-to-marry-now-lets-finish-the-job/#comment-73516 Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:45:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=21747#comment-73516 By the way, you stated a “statistic” that I have seen repeated in several other articles.

“We have built a nationwide majority for marriage — 58 percent of Americans, according to a recent Washington Post/ABC News poll”, but like the other articles you give no details, which means the supposed “statistic” lacks credibility.

For example, keeping in mind that poll “statistics” can be easily swayed by the manner in which they are taken, the most obvious question is who is included in your poll of “Americans”?

Does the term “Americans” include “gays” or only those who are not gay? Clearly, that would make a massive difference and skew the numbers accordingly.

Let’s just say I am highly skeptical of any “pro-gay” article (the only kind Reuters seems to carry) that argues a “statistic” like that without any clarification whatsoever.

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By: EconCassandra http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/06/26/big-wins-for-the-freedom-to-marry-now-lets-finish-the-job/#comment-73513 Fri, 28 Jun 2013 13:16:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=21747#comment-73513 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/20 13/06/26/marriage-equality-not-for-state s-to-decide/

I posted this comment on the above article, but it applies equally to all of you people who want to rush to judgement on this issue.

Your strongly-voiced “argument” is nothing more than your personal opinion, but contains no facts to support it.

The 14th Amendment was designed specifically to ensure the rights of blacks in this country, due to treatment they had received as slaves.

It has also been “misused” by some to ensure blacks are not only “equal”, but “more than equal” (i.e. reverse discrimination through “affirmative action), as if past wrongs can be somehow reversed by the denial of rights to present citizens who had nothing whatsoever with slavery.

There is no moral way to justify such actions, or to put it more simply (i.e. on a level your mind can accept), “two wrongs do not make a right”.

That is a zero sum game for this nation.

Frankly, my “bullshit-o-meter” went off the scale on the amount of “rah, rah, sis, boom, bah” in this poorly written screed.

I was going to point out some obvious legal errors in your interpretation of the 14th Amendment, but frankly you have departed from reality so far there is no way I can cover it all in this venue.

Let me say your statement that “The Constitution enshrines certain rights and liberties as so important that they are above the politics of the day. Freedom of speech and religion, for example, are never put to a popular vote” sent shivers down my spine.

This IS about the “politics of the day”.

To characterize it any other way is to misunderstand the importance of the “politics of the day” in terms of how we govern ourselves. Notice I said not how we are governed. There IS a difference.

What you are arguing is that the federal government — actually, nine fallible men and women who are entirely above the law, and not subject to the US Constitution at all, but supposedly are able to determine what it means for this entire nation at any point in time — has the right to decide on its own and enforce “certain rights and liberties as so important that they are above the politics of the day”.

I wasn’t aware there are any “eternal truths” that all people everywhere would agree that are above the “politics of the day”.

What IS “enshrined” in the constitution is that this is a “democracy”, not a kingdom or dictatorship subject to the whims of a person or an elite minority who can decide for us what is right.

If you care to look at the history of the rulings of the US Supreme Court, you will notice they have made MANY mistakes in the past.

Let’s hope by this time the supreme court has learned enough about racial equality that they choose not to take that road again.

ANY nation that ignores the “politics of the day” risks putting itself in jeopardy of being overthrown by its own people.

As a matter of fact, that is exactly how the US Constitution came into being — or have you forgotten?

You are young and have the impatience of the young, but I suggest you tone down the inane “cheerleading” and do a reality check on what you are saying before engaging in more screed like this. It serves no useful purpose, but only tends to inflame what is already a “hot button” issue. One in which I believe we should move carefully and with deliberation.

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