Comments on: Edward Snowden and the disaster of privatization http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: solusrex http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-94313 Sun, 05 Oct 2014 23:59:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-94313 Many of the respondents REALLY miss the point. I think this article is very needed. Points are:
1.Some services/institutions ARE NOT FOR PROFIT!! Period.
For-profit education and for-profit medicine brought us where we are. I am not saying that they must be 100% public but there should minimal publicly available level [which US has in a sorry state]. If you think that all should be privatized, then why the hell do we have government here ?
2. Article raised super-important question of the outsorcing deals transparency.Purpose of outsourcing is ‘we dont want to deal w/problem, lets other deal with it for money”, which is OK, but down the road it become INVARIABLY “we are not responsible-outsourcer is”. Its like a captain of the ship drives it on the reef and then saying ‘its not me – its a navigator/mashinist/cook — whoever – not me”. In maritime law its an absurd, and that’s how it should be with outsourcing. And ALL outsourcing contracts that public institution does MUST BE votable [and not mere commented] by public! Taxpayers should say ‘yes’ or ‘no’ for the contracts that spend their money. If this deals were not concluded behind the closed door the contracts mentioned in the article [CRIMINAL by their content] would’ve never see the light of day.

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By: Cnileolman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-94267 Sat, 04 Oct 2014 18:01:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-94267 Government is organized to provide for our citizentaxpayer. The object of a public employee is to serve the public who pays their wages. If there are problems they can be identified and solved by reporting the problems to elected officials. Yes, this is a simplistic description, but this is a message board not a thesis.

None of that is true when the functions of government are turned over to a profit making entity. When the employee providing service to the citizen/taxpayer has no connection to the served, but to employers who are only interested in profit there will be less services and accountability.

Why anyone would sign away government services for generations has to be stupid or corrupt.

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By: Squeamish http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-94238 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 20:18:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-94238 With respect to the Snowden example, I would point out that Alrich Ames and Robert Hanssen were both long time employees in the federal government. People actually got killed because of their actions.

As to the rest, I totally agree with poster JamesPerly. The common thread is government leaders/employees making dunderhead, or more likely, cronyism business decisions to the detriment of future flexibility – 75 and 99 year leases are absurd! I am unaware of any private sector to private sector agreements that last that long.

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By: DaSteelGenera1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-94216 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 13:18:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-94216 The examples given by the article are outrageous and certainly no where repeated in the rest of the Western World.
Public vs Private schools comparison always forget to mention that the public schools are robbed blind of resources. No wonder they aren’t as good.
It’s a really simple system: Convince the people that THEY know better how to spend their cash than experts and they will spend it on YOUR private school. The gullibility of the American people is astounding.
Let’s not forget that the majority of progressive commenters here are probably not Americans.

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By: JamesPerly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-94212 Fri, 03 Oct 2014 12:41:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-94212 I’d like to know where in the private sector does anyone do a 75 or 99 year deal??!!???

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By: SunAndRain http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-94179 Thu, 02 Oct 2014 14:02:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-94179 Thank you, FuzzyTheBear and ptiffany. Fuzzy, my Canadian and Swiss friends shake their heads over the attitudes towards government healthcare here, and I marvel at my fellow Americans’ gullibility to the talking hotheads of TV Opinion-news. Ptiffany, I wish Reuters would interview someone such as yourself who has personally worked in outsourcing for decades!

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By: ptiffany http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-73937 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 18:12:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-73937 Mythbuster: Contractors to the NSA don’t get any less oversight than employees and typically more. (Most security experts consider internal threats the most dangerous and often ignored.)

However, the main issue of this article with respect to outsourcing of government services is still valid. It is foolish to assume that private companies can provide government services better. The reality is often the opposite, despite all the made-up statistics by those who bang the drum of “big government”. For example, we could cut the cost of healthcare in this country substantially by EXPANDING Medicare through lowering the age of eligibility. Sorry, all you liars, but the healthcare industry knows this well.

This comes from someone in the outsourcing business for almost two decades.

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By: FuzzyTheBear http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-73934 Sun, 14 Jul 2013 13:06:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-73934 Some things are not meant to make a profit.Some activities have to be above the call of the holy buck. Take health care , prisons. Two extreme examples of how the quest for the buck leaves nothing but hardship and misery in it’s wake. How many people died and are dying because of the sacro-saint money grab the hospitals and insurance providers are doing ? How many people in jail are treated worse than dogs in a pound because the jail’s is meant to make a profit and not insure them a minimum of decency and care ?
The illness striking the nation is called greed
It’s one of the 7 deadly sins.
To those that are engaged in such activities , doctors , administrators , shareholders , managers , you cannot call yourselves good Christians. You’re not .
You draw checks on the misery of your fellow humans .

Take fundamental activities out of the private hands.
Healthcare ,defense ,security ,government   it will be better for everyone.

Look at what they enjoy north of the border and everywhere else in the world. Greed is the only reason you cannot have your cake and eat it too : someone else is eating your cake .

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By: Saje3D http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-73915 Sat, 13 Jul 2013 06:53:25 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-73915 The difference between the government and private contractors is that the government was specifically designed to be answerable to the public. You go to any large corporation and try to figure out who’s responsible. You’ll be running in circles for a week. And anyone who thinks that corporations are more inherently efficient than government clearly has never WORKED for a large corporation. They could teach government about obfuscation, bureaucracy, and CYA attitudes.

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By: Wry http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/11/edward-snowden-and-the-disaster-of-privatization/#comment-73907 Fri, 12 Jul 2013 19:52:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22303#comment-73907 Reuters: If you are not going to bother to review posts in a timely manner, why bother opening a topic for comments?

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