Comments on: Obama takes on the presumption of thuggery that permeates Martin case http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: buxxerth http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-94373 Tue, 07 Oct 2014 03:34:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-94373 Trayvon asked Zimmerman to identify himself. Zimmerman’s answer was: I don’t want nothing from you…man. (That was plenty enough time to say: I am
with security.)

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74442 Thu, 01 Aug 2013 03:22:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74442 @Benny27,

I have repeated information produced in trial and that from credible subsequent comments. Take it or leave it, it is what it is. Whether or not you believe it is no skin off my nose. Civil society has ALWAYS been “at war” with troublemakers, and always will be. To argue otherwise is just plain silly.

I don’t know if we have more troublemakers today, or just more idiots who CHOOSE to look and act like them. If I spot someone on my property I can’t identify as authorized to be there, their life is in definite danger (regardless of race). When I stop at a traffic light, and I see someone of suspicious appearance, I lock my doors.

Why? Because if it’s a sociopath instead of just a “lookalike”, I’m unnecessarily vulnerable if I don’t. If that hurts their feelings, I don’t give a fig. If my doing so is “racial profiling” I could care less. That decision is MINE and mine alone. You can’t change it.

Zimmerman was Neighborhood Watch. He, and all similar volunteers like him serve their communities with countless hours. Theire presences make their communities safer to live in. Their neighbors appreciate what they do.

Zimmerman had an indisputable right to be where he was at that time in that community that night. Trayvon Martin is the SUSPECT here. It does not seem clear whether or not he had “moved in” with his father so as to be a “resident” rather than a “visitor”.

Comments from his father suggest Trayvon was bored. It is unclear why he allowed him out on his own at night in a neighborhood of questionable safety.

His father then left. That means Trayvon was not under meaningful supervision as he sulked around in concealing clothes in the rain for reasons we can not now know. Some are innocent. Some not so much so. Few 17-years of age are collectors of jewelry they or their family don’t own.

Circumstances certainly support the idea that he actually reached his father’s house and THEN made a unilateral decision to backtrack, surprise and “show the man” that had observed his movements by surprising and physically assaulting him. Had Zimmerman been alert with his gun out, even Trayvon would not have been stupid enough to jump him; so I don’t believe Trayvon knew Zimmerman was armed.

If Trayvon had gotten control of Zimmerman’s gun and killed him with it, and the same witnesses had told the same story, Trayvon would have been charged and convicted of murder. An unprovoked physical assault on another person is incompatible with any interpretation of “defense”. If you saw a cop following you on foot would you be stupid enough to jump him? Maybe YOU would!

Contrary to YOUR perspective, civilized society DOES NOT have to “step aside” and abandon our communities and sidewalks over to all the wannabee punks or thugs that infest them. They BELONG to the taxpayers that pay to build and maintain them.

Those who would challenge that ownership will likely learn some hard lessons along their way through life. Those like you who would defend such challengers are no better than they are (and as “at risk”). Have a nice day!

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By: Benny27 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74432 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 21:57:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74432 OOTS,
What you say is bald assertion. No one knows exactly what happened that day except Zimmerman, so you have no idea who doubled back where.

Civil society is not at war with people who look like troublemakers, war is a legal definition, and you sound like a crank for invoking it with respect to young black men who you deem to look wrong.

Racial profiling is wrong for the exact reason that you state: “Trayvon Martin was walking in a neighborhood that had been victimized. Witnesses had described those seen as “young blacks”. He was young and black.”

Thanks for making my point for me.

Walking around in a neighborhood is not “taking risks”. He got the “life sentence” you refer to for the fact that he wasn’t armed. IF Zimmerman had ended up dead instead, you would presumably be so zealous in defending Trayvon Martin’s right to self defense? if not, then the problem is with you and your tainted view of the world.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74415 Wed, 31 Jul 2013 03:21:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74415 @Benny27,

Your response is so obtuse as to limit credible response. Civil society IS “at war” with the uncivil of any race as would as soon attack someone else as look at them.

Trayvon Martin was walking in a neighborhood that had been victimized. Witnesses had described those seen as “young blacks”. He was young and black. He was wearing clothes that made easy identification difficult, no different than the ski mask in the bank. He was wandering around, not going purposefully from point “A” to point “B”.

His choice, his risks. He doubled back with the intent to surprise and jump Zimmerman. He paid the price. We don’t have a statute providing capital punishment for extreme stupidity, but that is sometimes the sentence life hands out.

End of story, move along, nothing to see here.

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By: Benny27 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74409 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 17:20:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74409 OOTS,
You seem to have a problem reading, as I suggested that crime is over reported in the news, therefore you will get a distorted perspective if you base what is happening around you on news coverage. They don’t report all the people that don’t get mugged, obviously.

The fact that your example of inappropriate clothing is the Nazis says a lot. In your example the US and Germany were at war, so wearing a military uniform would indeed earn you those bullets. Are you saying we are at war with people wearing hoodies, or that they are anything like a military uniform?

If they wear a hoodie into a bank they wouldn’t be shot either, so your point is pointless. Though they would probably be told to remove the hood. Was Trayvon Martin in a bank?

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74406 Tue, 30 Jul 2013 16:01:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74406 @Benny27:

“You are ignoring the massive increase in reporting of crime, at the same time that violent crime is decreasing. If you are terrified of all the violent crime, I suggest you stop extrapolating from the news.” So you would have us not watch the news, to each be the ostrich with head in sand ignorant as to what goes on in the outside world. Now I understand how you get YOUR perspectives!

“The USA is supposed to be a free country, meaning people can wear whatever they want, while those of you who are afraid of a piece of clothing should probably move into the woods where you would feel more safe.” I will repeat what I said above without apology for you and others that read without retention:

“In Europe in 1944 if anyone put on the uniform and acts like a Nazi, they could expect to be treated according to the image they thus projected. If caught by the Germans, they would be executed as a spy. If an American soldier ran into them, he would attack and try to kill them.

It ain’t no different “in da ‘hood”, dude! Looking and sounding like a thug is going to get you treated like a thug. The way you look and act make others mistrust you, not for what you are, but for what you appear to be. ”

If it”s cold and you wear a ski mask into a bank, your life is in danger even here in the “free” United States. Why? Because of others before you who entered dressed like that to conceal their identity. You WILL be “profiled” based on community experience. Get used to it!

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By: Benny27 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74366 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:47:51 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74366 OOTS,
“Blacks are statistically involved in much more crime and much more violent crime than their percentage of the American population.”
So what? crime justifies more crime? It really is the wild west in your head, isn’t it?

“Responsive politicians in dozens of states enact Stand Your Ground laws because the evening news constantly shows sociopathic predators, many black, preying on ordinary citizens, many black. It quickly becomes obvious that there is NO WAY our society can afford the number of police necessary to protect our lives and our property.”

You are ignoring the massive increase in reporting of crime, at the same time that violent crime is decreasing. If you are terrified of all the violent crime, I suggest you stop extrapolating from the news. The USA is supposed to be a free country, meaning people can wear whatever they want, while those of you who are afraid of a piece of clothing should probably move into the woods where you would feel more safe. I wear a hoodie all the time, is that because I want to hide my face? No, it is because I want to keep warm. What gives you the right to decide why another person dons a sweater? Racial stereotyping, of course.

“If one of them twelve years old and unarmed puts his foot through my front door do you think I’m going to check his ID before blowing him away?”

Zimmerman didn’t get his front door kicked in, he admitted to following the young man. Hardly the actions of someone fearing for their safety.

You say you have a problem with Nazis, but have no problem with collective punishment and racial profiling. Don’t be surprised when people call you a demagogue in return… something you hypocritically blamed the author of this article for…. and then you commit right away. So I guess a demagogue is anyone who disagrees with you?

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By: Benny27 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74364 Mon, 29 Jul 2013 17:29:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74364 OOTS,
The poster above me is a skinhead, in case you can’t tell the difference still.

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By: lionyiddish http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74338 Sun, 28 Jul 2013 11:01:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74338 Face it people Tayvon Martin was a punckassbitch thug troublemaker who found trouble and paid the price. That’s all. He is the poster child for all black youth. Stupid, worthless, thieving scum. All you black and black apologists who suffer from negrophilia are so blind you can’t see that you all epitomize the stereotypes.

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By: MonicaKey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/07/23/obama-takes-on-the-presumption-of-thuggery-that-permeates-martin-case/#comment-74317 Sat, 27 Jul 2013 00:04:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=22645#comment-74317 Sybrina kicked Trayvon out of her home because he was out of control.
Tracy knew this, yet he didn’t supervise his son when he was called on to help correct the situation.

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