Comments on: Post-shutdown: Time for recriminations http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: ChadsNHiggins http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77677 Wed, 23 Oct 2013 17:38:36 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77677 Remember that one time when George Washington said, “I have already intimated to you the danger of parties in the State, with particular reference to the founding of them on geographical discriminations. Let me now take a more comprehensive view, and warn you in the most solemn manner against the baneful effects of the spirit of party generally.” – Washington’s Farewell Address, 1796. You can boil down what our first president says about parties in his farewell address to this: political parties will destroy us…

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By: COindependent http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77639 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 20:58:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77639 What many of you fail to acknowledge is that House members are elected locally. They reflect the platform of the local electorate . Those tea party Republicans fulfilled their commitment to their constituents–period, like it or not!

Liberals have a very short memory, as the POTUS openly refused to negotiate, and the Senate Majority leader who would not bring any House sponsored resolution to the floor for a vote. Yep, and the Dems refused (again) a bill that would require them to give up their current health insurance and enroll under Obamacare. There’s Democrat “compromise” for you.

While the author may chastise the Republicans and Tea Partiers, he is remiss in not chastising the Democrats who refused to “compromise”. The House is an equal 1/3 of the government which liberals wish to ignore because it does not fit their agenda.

The facts don’t support the perception that is was only the Tea Party Republicans that refused to negotiate. But the media has been in the Dems bag since 2000–conservatives can live with that reality.

Those who embrace the liberal theology (especially when demonizing OilFieldSpouse) fail to embrace the individual liberty she espouses. Each of you is effectively demanding that your liberal way is the only way — exactly what you criticize the Tea Partiers of doing. See the passage of ACA in 2009 without a single Republican vote (where’s the compromise you all demand?)

Every time a liberal demands a “right” for some special group, or “compromise” (using you terminology) on my part, my personal liberties are further diminished. That is, except when it comes to paying taxes, then liberals like to speak about my personal “obligation”.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77636 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:53:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77636 @Oilfieldspouse,

You and I don’t agree on a woman’s right to choose, and yet from you I don’t hear the “take no prisoners-absolutely no compromise” nonsense. Push come to shove, the only “absolute” is absolute stupidity, which seems to have infected what passes for our government.

Obviously you “walk the walk” and believe in the “rule of law” and the necessity of reasonable compromise (which is NOT surrender). So do I.

Well said!

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By: Leftcoastrocky http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77635 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 18:33:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77635 “A new CNN/ORC poll finds that 54% of Americans say it’s a bad thing that the Republican party controls the House of Representatives, up 11 points from last December, soon after the 2012 elections when the Republicans kept control of the chamber. Only 38% say it’s a good thing the GOP controls the House, a 13-point dive from the end of last year.”

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By: brotherkenny4 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77631 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 17:39:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77631 Oilfieldspouse: What a crock. There is no freedom, and neither your old man GOP or the Teabaggers has any intention of allowing freedom.

As for spending money. How have the GOP paid for the wars?

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By: MoBioph http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77626 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 14:29:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77626 Public debt data from the CIA World Factbook:

In First Place, fighting a decades-long battle with deflation, Japan (currently at an annual inflation rate of -0.3%, according to WSJ/Heritage Foundation data), with a public debt = 214.30% of GDP (2012 estimate);

In last place, suffering an annual inflation rate of 8.5% (WSJ/Heritage Foundation data), Liberia, with a public debt = 2.60% of GDP (2012 estimate).

Which country would you rather visit without the company of the USMC?

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By: Flash1022 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77623 Mon, 21 Oct 2013 11:21:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77623 It is obvious the issue is revenue and not debt.

The sequestration and near default has highlighted this.

Since the Eisenhower administration we have had many tax reductions in the name of job creation.

These jobs have never been realized while we damaged our tax base.

We have also had many unfunded wars.

Had we maintained our tax base and funded our wars we would not be having this debate.

Americans have had enough tea with these Mad Hatters.

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By: OilfieldSpouse http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77607 Sun, 20 Oct 2013 14:58:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77607 I consider myself “right-wing”; but not an extremist. I live in the South; we own guns and we are Christian. We are not radicals.
I personally oppose abortion, but the Supreme Court says you can have one if you want; so who am I to stop you? You have to live with that decision. I am a Christian, but I don’t expect you to believe the same as me.
That’s the beauty of this country…..FREEDOM…..we each have the right to believe what we want. The problem comes in when others try to forcibly PUSH their agenda on me or you.
As for the “shutdown” and who was to blame; ALL OF THEM are to blame and I think it starts with the PRESIDENT. The PRESIDENT is supposed to be a LEADER. The PRESIDENT is supposed to bring the parties together to talk. The PRESIDENT can’t just sit back and do nothing and then when it’s all over blame the “tea party radicals”.
These “tea party radicals” are for the most part people just like me, middle class, working people who just want the government to STOP THE CRAZINESS of SPENDING MONEY that we don’t have. We want Congress to start putting the AMERICAN people FIRST instead of “illegals” who are in this country ILLEGALLY. Close the borders. We are the only country in the world whose borders are wide open.
Final word: To continue to refer to average Americans like me as “right-wing extremists” “tea party terrorists”, etc. does not advance the cause of bringing this country back to its greatness. It only causes more division.

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By: 2Borknot2B http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77600 Sat, 19 Oct 2013 19:55:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77600 True that OneofTheSheep.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/10/18/post-shutdown-time-for-recriminations/#comment-77595 Sat, 19 Oct 2013 15:51:39 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=25139#comment-77595 The Tea Party has the same fatal flaws as the Republican party. It embraces the religious nuts unaware or in denial of evolution, home schooling, and denies women the reproductive choices the Supreme Court gave all in Roe v. Wade.

But they are absolutely right in refusal to roll out the welcome wagon for some twenty million illegal alien squatters that have swarmed America since the 1980’s Amnesty that was supposed to end that nonsense. These people are, by and large, uneducated, unskilled gypsies unable or unwilling to raise the lands of their birth from the bubbling cesspool of poverty. They turn to America to take what we will allow.

Their fertility would make a rabbit blush. They will overwhelm America’s dysfunctional educational system (which has already lowered standards to improve “pass rates”). They don’t want to assimilate into “maiknstream America”…instead they march for nonexistent “rights” and demand America provide bilingual EVERYTHING; free to them, horrendously expensive for the rest of us. This is simply not as it should be.

Already our seniors are being told there is not “enough” to maintain a fair inflation adjustment to protect the purchasing power of Social Security checks. As we speak the patient load is being increased by some thirty percent on available doctors. The inevitable result is that “we, the people” can’t get in to see our physician soon after we get sick. The best we can hope for is that they will call in a prescription for us to pick up.

Doctor’s office waiting rooms are rapidly becoming like day care centers. The well there for check-ups must somehow avoid infection in a hive of germs including third world diseases long eradicated here on tables, chairs, desks and magazines. Emergency rooms have long been this way, and some have closed because of the number of people that can’t or won’t pay for services rendered. This isn’t “progress”, people.

The Tea Party is also the sole voice of reason that has refused to be silenced as to America’s ongoing congressional idiocy in excess spending. To this day Congress can not explain just what was purchased with the dollars they stole, leaving just IOUs, from the Social Security Trust Fund, and as a result the program no longer is considered “self-funding” but an “entitlement “on the block” for reduction with later unfunded “giveaways”.

The notion that you don’t spend what you don’t have is long dead and America increases it’s own credit card, the “debt limit” routinely knowing that “If they spend it, we, the people, must pay”. To any who try to say NO! they say “you can’t object to paying your bill for money already spent”. Please. STOP THE EXCESS SPENDING!

“We, the people” have been abandoned by our so-called “responsible leaders” who openly pander to these johnny-come-latelys for their future votes even as they sell the influence we give them to the highest bidder in contributions for their re-election. This country CAN NOT continue “business as usual” in Washington and remain dynamic economically and solvent fiscally into future decades.

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