Comments on: It’s not just fast-food workers who are underpaid http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: zotdoc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-79563 Tue, 10 Dec 2013 15:09:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-79563 The value of labor is the goods or services produced by the labor, hamburgers cooked, surgeries performed, movies produced etc. Arbitrarily fixing the price of an hour of low wage labor doesn’t change its value, it just makes the dollar worth less. When the government comes along and sets a minimum wage to buy the votes of its constituents, it means that each dollar buys less goods and services produced by the labor. Anyone who has a savings account and anyone on a fixed income is left with less buying power.

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By: bshort http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-79322 Tue, 10 Dec 2013 01:35:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-79322 OneOfTheSheep

“Lots of them have idle WIVES and children, presumably by choice.”

Careful careful… who are these workers? Are they all men?

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By: notnews http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-79281 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 22:33:43 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-79281 All you have to say is In-N-Out Burger. From what I’ve heard it’s what quality, customer satisfaction, and living wages are all about. All of you employers are right about it being your right to hire people for whatever wage the market sets… or minimum. Until you care about your employee’s stability you will have unstable employees. You will have attendance problems and loss prevention problems and customer service problems. It is an endless fight if you aren’t on the same side. That means a waist of time, effort,and training. It shows up on the bottom line either way.

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By: brianpforbes http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-79158 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:50:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-79158 @Porkroll2 – you’ll pay whatever wage the government says you have to , or you can open your next restaurant in Bangladesh.

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By: brianpforbes http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-79156 Mon, 09 Dec 2013 09:48:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-79156 Reading these comments, I can only say, the terrorists have already won. Self righteous conservative talking points about personal responsibility and entrepreneurship have won the day. No major restaurant chain has any need to raise prices if worker salaries go up; they just need to stop paying the CEO 10 million a year and watch net profits skyrocket. Ratio of CEO to average worker salaries has expanded six times since the 1970s; does anyone really believe CEOs have increased their productivity six times as fast as average workers in this time period ?

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-78739 Fri, 06 Dec 2013 20:25:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-78739 @rikfre,

That was then and this is now. From WW II until recently America was a reality unto itself. It was inevitable that it would one day become part of the rest of the world, and that has reciprocal consequences.

Americans “competing” on a level playing field with ALL who would work likely DO “work harder” for a wage that “barely meets AMERIKAN “needs”. Let’s get a little perspective here.

Americans still live a life far, far better than most “world workers”…part of the world’s top 1% in financial context. In real life everybody doesn’t get a trophy just for showing up.

In America the electricity is always on so long as you pay your bill. Same for potable water and sewage service. Anyone genuinely sick can pretty much stroll into an emergency room and get timely treatment without paying money “up front”. Here the “poor” DRIVE, have cell phones and flat screen TVs. Their children do not go out and comb the dumps for food unless someone is siphoning off money to buy drugs.

America still offers FAR more than most countries, making it the target of choice for those who vote with their feet.

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By: rikfre http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-78738 Fri, 06 Dec 2013 19:42:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-78738 I know many people who worked very hard, but made a nice living wage. Now, because we are in a “global” economy, they are working harder for a sub-standard wage that barely meet their needs. Welcome to the 21st century Amerikan dream.

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By: Depraved http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-78702 Fri, 06 Dec 2013 06:14:17 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-78702 Of course prices will go up but I don’t care because I don’t eat fast food. It’s much healthier to cook your own burgers and a whole lot cheaper.

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By: 1DukeZ http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-78687 Thu, 05 Dec 2013 22:17:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-78687 I wonder when businesses learn about the “Automat” business model. When you entered an Automat, you would see walls that had a bunch of small windowed boxes. Each contained a different food serving. On one the side, was a coin operated machine. If you wanted the food serving on display, you deposited the required amount of coins and then you can open the door so you can take the food.The only people a fast food business essentially would need is a food preparation staff. I’m sure that. with today’s technology, you can adjust it to handle drive in service.

Problem solved. No one will ever have to work for some a unlivable wage.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2013/12/04/its-not-just-fast-food-workers-who-are-underpaid/#comment-78683 Thu, 05 Dec 2013 21:16:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=26395#comment-78683 Ms. Olen,

Disclosure: Anything your picture heads up on Reuters, I read first! Not fair, but life isn’t fair. Equality is but a cruel illusion that won’t go away.

“Public opprobrium for paying…workers a less-than-living wage…” does not exist to any meaningful extent. The exploitative labor monopolies that existed at the beginning of the nineteen hundreds were entirely different in effect to today’s complaints in America.

Today America has been dragged kicking and screaming into the global economy and those living here with little in the way of education or skills have seen their standard of living decrease while the average wage and quality of life in other nations has increased significantly.

America is no longer the “rich man’s pond” where only those here can fish and catch a lot in a short time. Everyone now fishes in “our” pond. Accordingly, with the “low hanging fruit” gone it takes more and more work to fill bellies. But we’re not talking about “food security”.

I drive a ten year old car, and intend to keep it another 6-7 years (to 200,000 miles). It is well kept, reliable, I like it, and it meets my needs.

Lots of fast food workers and those employed by or at Walmart drive later vehicles, presumably by choice. Lots of them have idle wives and children, presumably by choice. If their choices are such that their work cannot support them, whose fault is that?

Americans have long lost the ability to discern between a want and a need. If you don’t believe that, look at all the bling (fancy jewelry, skinny tires, fancy rims, high-end cell phones) our lower class sports. Their kids have to have the “Air Jordan” and other “name” tennies, not the generic Converse tennies everyone wore years ago.

Understand this. Back in the forties there was an Automat in New York City. While expensive, automation is a one-time expense that eliminates many significant expenses of human employment permanently.

Any substantial hike in the minimum wage is going to do two things. First, it will speed the rate of automation of jobs in the fast food industry and such others as that technology becomes more and more capable and adaptable. Simultaneously, it will cut the American underclass off at the knees, essentially removing the “first step” onto the carousel of economic progress. The “best and brightest” can still leap on, but the marginal now fall under the bus.

With existing technology, it won’t take much of an increase in the minimum wage to make it “worth it” for fast food restaurants to offer a more limited menu from a Kiosk made from one or more recycled ship/truck container(s). Owner/franchisees will have contract people come by and resupply when the machines predict an impending shortage of anything.

Once actual assembly of fast food by robots becomes a reality, a lot of germs and spread of sickness is eliminated. Machines don’t get overtime, don’t do drugs, don’t get hauled off to jail, don’t bully each other, don’t get sick or need health insurance, don’t suffer from deadline stress, have dependents, take sabbaticals, seek promotions, earn vacations or pensions, or bad mouth the company when dissatisfied or discharged.

While machines don’t buy anything, that’s a different problem to resolve another way on down the road. By and large American purchasers are not in the slightest uncomfortable or concerned whether the coffee they drink is “fair trade”, the chicken they eat is “free range”, the beef they eat is grass-fed or the vegetables they eat are “organic”.

As consumers, they rightfully consider any “issue” as to the minimum wage or whether they aren’t paying “enough” for food out a matter between employee and employer. It’s no different than was “buying American” cars when their design, weight, efficiency and longevity as an investment did not measure up to those from other countries. Get used to it.

Americans have never accepted a direct responsibility to provide ANYONE a “minimum way of life”. That’s because we have seen how our many dovetailing lavish welfare programs have created an underclass that is growing faster than the American economy.

We have already made welfare and it’s benefits more attractive than the work for which these individuals are qualified and could aspire to in terms of WORK. Our laws and incentives should ENCOURAGE work, but, in fact, do precisely the opposite. No country can afford to have a significant percentage of the population sitting home idle.

Those in business dare not sit still and milk a “cash cow”. Others observe and flock to participate wherever profits are greater and the barriers to entry are low. Over time, all must compete on controlling cost, providing and maintaining “competitive” quality. This is where Walmart easily destroys “mom and pop” stores, and does so legitimately.

Today’s kids expect all to get a trophy. Well, in real life all DON’T become a “success”, EVER. Suck it up.

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