Comments on: Putin projects Russia’s unreal reality http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: gacorrea http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84712 Sun, 16 Mar 2014 13:05:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84712 “Hurt the Russians and help ourselves. That’s what sanctions are supposed to accomplish”

The implication is that at present, without the benefit of sanctions, the US is incurring an opportunity cost.

The sad truth is that there is no way we can impose sanctions on Russia that will not impose some costs on us. The same applies to Europe, but to a much more painful extent.

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By: brotherkenny4 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84615 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 16:17:34 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84615 The russians are more dilusional than even the US citizens who think they are free and have liberty and justice. It’s hilarious what all people do under tyranical governments and fake patriots. But hey, their blissful if you know what I mean.

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By: bigturkey http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84606 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 12:30:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84606 Nice piece.

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By: wirk http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84602 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 11:15:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84602 Following the author style, one could say that reaching to the deep historical roots of the russian psyche is a way of avoiding simple explanation: “My own granddaddy created this mess when, while being drunk he got an idea of giving Crimea to the Ukraine”.

But more seriously the author falls into its own delusions and simplifications bordering on propaganda: “But let’s say that Putin goes beyond Crimea toward the eastern cities of Lugansk or Donetsk. Today these cities say they want Russian help because they worry their heavy (and shabbily run) industries would be unable to compete if Kiev turns fully Western…But give them time. In a few years, the Ukrainian East will likely come to resent the Kremlin’s pressing hand.”

This is so delusional that it sounds ridiculous. First, lot’s of people there feel Russian by strong cultural and human ties so it is not jobs only. They have been antagonized by the radicals in Kieve whose first law was to repel Russian as an official language. Second, regarding the jobs, the Western alternative is plain and simple: close everything as soon as possible. This is known from other similar places in Eastern Europe where even after 20 ys they have not recovered and are being depopulated by massive emigration. No wonder then eastern regions of Ukraine want to Russia where things are changing at a slower place.

Presentation of analogy with Kosovo as Kremlin propaganda tastelest since in fact Kosovo has made a very bad precedent. The case of Crimea could be seen as positive in the end: an overwhelming majority of people will get what they want and without any loss of life.

In the end much better parable to explain Russian mind and behavior is a big bear: Do not come close to my territory or I will strike you. All big bears of this world have the same attitude: US, Russia and China. Russians want to keep NATO at a distance from their heartland and that is quite understandable.

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By: sangell http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84597 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 05:12:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84597 It is unfortunate that Russia seems to want to compete in a geopolitical game against the west that undermines its ability to compete in global trade. I was surprised to learn, e.g., that the rocket motors used by NASA in our ATLAS space missile are Russian. Of course, now that Putin threatens Ukrainian sovereignty, Elon Musk can go before Congress and say his company’s Dragon rocket should replace United Launch’s ATLAS for national security reasons and so he did. It’s likely Russia rocket engine manufacturer will lose this market as a result. This will probably begin happening to a lot of Russian businesses as the US and EU seek to find low cost ( to us ) sanctions. Of course, Russia business will never become it integrated with the the rest of the developed world and will remain the perpetual outsider.

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By: Hoseph http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84595 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 04:27:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84595 “…Hurt the Russians and help ourselves. That is what a sanction should do..” That’s what we’ve been trying to do for the last 70 years. Apparently it doesn’t work as well as we hoped, huh…

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By: Hoseph http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84593 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 04:24:55 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84593 “…Ronald Reagan must be turning in his grave. He would order to bomb Russia and the whole conflict would be over in under one week…”

No he wouldn’t. The whole conflict would be over real quick as well as the rest of the world. JFK and Krushchev didn’t go that far, realizing the outcome and the there are much more powerfull nukes avail now days. So, I don’t think Reagan could do squat if he was still around…
By the way the author of the article is a grandaugher of the former USSR leader Nikita Krushchev, living in the US. Isn’t it ironic? :)

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By: LisaAgnesG http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84592 Thu, 13 Mar 2014 04:20:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84592 I can just see Nina Khrushcheva as a queen: “Catherine gave you boards, but I will give you whips! Get up, you lazy 47 percenters! Get up! Paint and repair those houses! I don’t care if you’re dying, I don’t care if you’re sick! Get up and clean those f***ing houses or you’re done for!”

Mitt Romney would love her.

Incidentally, I read on another website that the German publication Die Welt had stated that the German gov was upset that Merkel’s words were interpreted in the way they have been interpreted – they say that she probably actually meant something like, “Putin has a completely different perspective on this matter”… but after her words were interpreted in a certain way, reporter after reporter just echoed the same interpretation without even bothering to see if there was anything substantive to it. Just like teenagers in a ‘popular kids’ club who are really itching to spread rumors about ‘the wierd kids’ over there in Russia, and be in the same little ‘in group’ with the same little twittering of ‘in gossip’. Sad.

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By: f00 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84587 Wed, 12 Mar 2014 23:09:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84587 She’s a shill pushing the “Putin is delusional” line.

The West has made its malign intentions toward Russia abundantly clear.

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By: JeffHB http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/03/12/putin-projects-russias-unreal-reality/#comment-84585 Wed, 12 Mar 2014 21:03:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=29113#comment-84585 Regardless of the psychopathology of Putin, the challenge for the West remains to figure out how to counter his aggression with measures that cost him and the Russian people more than they cost Europeans and Americans.

Boycotting Russian gas hurts us more than them. Selling American natural gas to Europe – helps us hurts him.

Planting missiles in Poland and aiming them at Moscow helps us and hurts him.

Arming Israel and turning them loose on the Syrian and Iranian friends of Putin helps us and hurts him.

Invading Venezuala and then flooding the world with cheap competition to Russian energy — helps us, hurts him.

Invading Cuba and then trading it back to Russia for the Ukraine helps us and hurts him.

Sending arms and money to the Chechen rebels and asking them to target government leaders in Russia–now there is a Machiavellian move worthy of an American President.

The rule of sanctions is pretty simple. Hurt the Russians and help ourselves. That is what a sanction should do..

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