Comments on: Poland’s example may offer Ukraine a way out http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: cheap fifa 15 coins http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-92889 Thu, 25 Sep 2014 20:16:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-92889 Undeniably believe that which you stated. Your favorite justification seemed to be on the web the easiest thing to be aware of. I say to you, I certainly get irked while people think about worries that they plainly don’t know about. You managed to hit the nail upon the top and also defined out the whole thing without having side-effects , people could take a signal. Will likely be back to get more. Thanks

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By: yurakm http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86342 Wed, 28 May 2014 04:01:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86342 Copycat solutions seldom works, because people differ not so much in languages, as in values – up to the directly opposite view on what is right and what is wrong. Even subtle differences in values results in very different output. Who would expect that in the US people of Scottish descent are 2.5 times more likely to amass a million dollar net worth than people of English descent.

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By: MelMarie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86334 Tue, 27 May 2014 16:08:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86334 Amazed at the number of commenters who are ready to piecemeal the Ukraine up and give it back to Russia and others. Ukraine did not become a nation purely by accident. It has the potential to become a productive country, which is why Russia is willing to risk so much to reacquire it. The parallels to Poland pointed out here are thought provoking, but the complications of Russian aggression, identity, as well as the geopolitical shifts which have occurred since Poland emerged as an independent nation, cannot be ignored. One can only hope leadership will emerge which is able to transcend violence and corruption in order to realize the Ukraine’s potential. Balcerowicz’s story is a reminder of how thankless the work of rebuilding can be; in today’s Ukraine such work will not only be challenging, it might be lethal.

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By: Chris122 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86332 Tue, 27 May 2014 13:52:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86332 Ukraine will always have problems so long as it continues to exist since it is not a real country with an identity. The East is Russian, the west Polish, the south is Romanian, Hungarian and Slovak. The only solution is to give the lands back to the nations which are the rightful owners and abolish this geopolitical construct.

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By: nvgg http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86323 Tue, 27 May 2014 04:07:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86323 Ukraine is not a country, never was

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By: Radek.kow1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86310 Sun, 25 May 2014 10:08:33 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86310 It’s ok to say that Poland’s case can be an example for Ukraine – the two countries share a lot! At the same time, the two states have distinct differences, too.

Balcerowicz carried his reform plans with a really strong electoral ticket generated by the Solidarity movement that had mobilised public opinion and developed its electoral base over years, while Russia was in disarray itself in the early 1990s and couldn’t inhibit the process. In the instance of Ukraine, the electoral ticket is much more split, at least for now, and Russia is organized enough and determined to be able to harm the process.

Ukrainians will have to find their own best tools and practices for making their revolution a success. They do really well so far! Despite the weaknesses of the Ukrainian state, Putin is definitely on his back foot now, and cannot persuade the public even in Eastern Ukraine with any arguments other than coercion.

In the meantime, what Poles can do for Ukraine now? Build stronger relations between regular people. Poland should open its job market for Ukrainians, local governments should develop partnerships to learn from each other and businessmen should accompany public visits to seek ways to build trade ties and grow business together.

In my opinion, Ukraine can be more consistently pro-European only if regular Ukrainians become acquainted with the concept of the EU and what it actually means. Otherwise, if the political shift is only in the higher echelons of power, common Ukrainians will still easily be swayed by false promises. The Russian propaganda machine will still be able to hijack the process at some point or another. Without direct acquaintance of common Ukrainians with the EU, the whole pro-western shift in Ukraine may eventually turn out to be only skin deep.

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By: MyOwnDisaster http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86306 Sat, 24 May 2014 21:04:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86306 One day both the United States and Russia will come to realize they both need to stop all meddling in other countries’ internal affairs. I hope Ukraine can get back this and become a properous country that benefits both Europe and Asia.

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By: Mark793 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86305 Sat, 24 May 2014 19:07:48 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86305 If per-capita GDP is to be the criterion, why would Ukraine want to go with Poland’s $12,820.00 when it could aspire to Russia’s $14,037.00 for the same time period?

http://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.G DP.PCAP.CD

Would Ukraine be able to call upon the massive loans Poland received, and the aid that continues to this day? Would Ukraine want to have some 70% of its banking sector foreign-owned, such as the case in Poland? Since Ukraine is one of the world’s most corrupt countries, perhaps they would not care, but I have noticed that foreign ownership, once gained, is often used by the west to influence policymaking.

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By: meleze http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86304 Sat, 24 May 2014 17:20:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86304 It is easy to stay at the level of economic comparisons. Then on the military point of view since 1989 Ukraine used to be the place where the Russian navy had her harbour. In the navy lies a part of the nuke dissuasion. That’s why Poland Europe and the USA should have been much more helpful for the Syrian upsurge. The fall of Bachar and by consequence the loss of her other harbour on the meditteranean sea by the Russian navy would have been the better help that could have been brought to the Ukrainians.

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By: STheG http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/05/23/polands-example-may-offer-ukraine-a-way-out/#comment-86302 Sat, 24 May 2014 10:08:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=31254#comment-86302 It is really meaningful to show here Walęsa.
Many claim that we (Polish peoples) are all happy and, we all love what have been bring to us with liberal capitalism.
Well it is not true, at least not for majority of Polish society.
Walęsa is great example. Symbol of “freedom” fighting for the West, is heated among most Polish peoples for what happened in Poland after 1989. And shows that what is good for West is not necessarily good for East.
For most of Polish peoples 1989 means fall of industry, drastic fall in medical care (average waiting time to see let’s say orthopedist is few months), education, even Polish football teams are on unbelievably low level now.
What is most irritating for many Polish peoples are words like claiming that Poland has so great economy and we are so happy with liberal Chicago type capitalism.
e.g.
According to official data, Poland is second manufacturer of cars in Europe…
Seriously? So how it is possible that in Poland at “manufacturing” cars works few dozen thousands peoples while in Germany it is every sixth German worker who works in industry associated with car manufacturing?
Answer is simple because we don’t make them we assembly them.
Why it is like that? Well to assembly cars you don’t need to transfer almost any technology or know how. So, real manufacturers move assembling stuff to weak economies with cheap resonably skilled work force like in Poland or Slovakia.
Poland is industrial thus economic disaster with entire industry consist of manufacturers of cheap low tech sub products for West giants and assembly “factories”, there for we are unable to build any new high tech industries especially in UE regulations regime banding any support for local industries which, like past shows is not practiced in mature west economies.
So is Poland so great with IMF model of capitalism offered now Ukraine?
Doubtful, with rapidly grooving debt and economy based in big part on UE supplement in infrastructure and weak low tech industry based on cheap work force we are not.
Sadly future of Spain and Portugal awaits us…
So Ukraine come and join us.

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