Comments on: Three assumptions about the Middle East that are just plain wrong http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: calabriatechnology.com http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-628527 Thu, 26 Mar 2015 02:48:49 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-628527 I am so grateful for your blog post.Really looking forward to read more. Fantastic.

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By: dhjdhj http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-99159 Sun, 23 Nov 2014 09:03:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-99159 Are you talking about Islamic State or the US Republican party?

“Disdain for sciences and innovation…”

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By: Johanna-Chentov http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-99076 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 17:57:28 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-99076 SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN POLITICS : CORRECTING SOME MISCONCEPTIONS BY WESTERN MEDIAS AND JOURNALISTS :

AT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT MORE AND MORE WESTERN MEDIAS ARE CLAIMING, THE MAJORITY OF POPULATIONS IN THE ARAB-BERBER SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN PEOPLE , DID NOT MISS MUSLIM CONSTITUTION/ISLAMIST CONSTITUTION…FOR DECADES UNDER THE RULE OF THOSE WESTERN PUPPET ISLAMO-AUTOCRATES. AND THEY WERE NOT ALL HAPPY TO SEE ISLAMISTS/OBSCURANTISTS ACCESSING POLITICAL POWER IN THEIR COUNTRIES AS EGYPTE (ISLAMO-FASHIST GROUP BROTHERHOOD/MORSI, OR TUNISIA THE ISLAMO-FASHIST GROUP ENAHDA

AT THE TOTAL OPPOSITE, ARAB INTELLECTUALS OF THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN AND A SIGNIFICANT NUMBER OF CITIZENS, OF ALL LEVEL OF SOCIETY DID FIGHT FOR DECADES IN THIS REGION , AT LEAST AS THEY COULD, IN THE DESPERATE HOP OF TRUE DEMOCRACY . — THROUGH A SECULAR CONSTITUTION/ SEPARATION BETWEN RELIGION AND STATE, AND THE REMOVAL OF THEN WESTERN IMPOSED/SUPPORTED ISLAMO-AUTOCRATES RULERS!

THE CIA, THE FRENCH INTELLIGENCE AND THE MOSSAD DID WORK ACTIVELY, VERY CLOSELY AND FOR DECADES, WITH LOCAL SERVICES OF THOSE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN DICTATEURS FOR SEVERAL DECADES, TO IDENTIFY, ARREST OR KIDNAP, TORTURE AND SOME TIME KILL, OR MAKE DESPAIR FOREVER, ARAB INTELLECTUAL OPPOSITION MEMBERS IN MOST COUNTRIES OF THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN INCLUDED EGYPTE AND TUNISIA!!!!!!! SOME OF THE VICTIMS ARE STILL IN LIFE AND MANY OF THE AGENTS TOO…— FAMILIES ARE STILL CRYING FOR THE DESPAIRED, UNTIL TODAY! SILENCED OPPONENTS OF COURSE INCLUDED SOME RACIALE AND RELIGIOUS MINORITIES OF THE SOUTH-MEDITERRANEAN.

BESIDE IN VILLAGES AND SOME VERY OLD WOMEN VERY FEW WOMEN WANTED TO WEAR THE VEIL OR LIKED THE VEIL…AND IT WAS NEVER FORBIDDEN IN ANY OF THESE COUNTRIES AS IN SOME WAY CLAIMED IN THIS DISHONEST ARTICLE.

CURRENTLY, AT THE OPPOSITE OF WHAT WESTERN JOURNALISTS WANT TO CLAIM, MILLIONS OF SECULAR ARABS AND BERBERS OF THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN DO WANT, SEPARATION OF STATE AND RELIGION, IN THEIR RESPECTIVE COUNTRIES. DESPITE ALL WHAT HAPPENING THEY ARE STILL HOPPING TO ACHIEVE SEPARATION BETWEEN RELIGIOUS LAWS AND STATE IN THIER COUNTRIES.
OF COURSE WESTERN CURTSIED PRO-MUSLIM CONSTITUTION ACTIVISTS, DO NOT AGREE AND FIGHT HARD AGAINST A CONSTITUTION WITHOUT BLASPHEMY OR ADULTERY LAW ETC. DO WESTERN MEDIAS AND OTHERS, WHO KNOW WHO THEY ARE, HONESTLY THINK THOSE LAWS AS BISIS OF CONSTITUTION CAN PRODUCE DEMOCRACY?

THE GENERAL STRATEGY SEEMS TO BE UNFORTUNATELY STILL THE SAME..: JUST PUT NOW, SOME PRO-WEST ISLAMIST PUPETS, (TO REPLACE THE OUTDATED ISALMO-AUTOCRATES), WE WILL HELP THE NEW DICTATORS TO , SILENCE AND OPPRESS THE INTELLECTUAL OPPOSITIONS AND OTHER SECULAR OPPONENTS WHO REFUSE TO SUBMIT AND STOP FIGHTING FOR TRUE DEMOCRACY. THEY CALL THIS “STABILITY”. UNACCEPTABLE!

NO AND NO, NO STATE ISLAM/ISALM BASED POLITICAL MOVEMENT, IN THE ARAB-BERBER SOTUH-MEDITERRANEAN, (WHATEVER THE BRAND OR SCHOOL), BROTHERHOOD, ENAHDA, ISIL, TURKISH ISLAMIST ETC. SHOULD BE ELECTED OR MISSED.
ONLY THE TRUE DEMOCRATIC POLITICAL SYSTEM : THE SECULAR ONE CAN ALLO DEMOCRACY. PEOPLE SHOULD’NT LESSEN TO LIES OF ISLAMIST MEDIAS AND PRO-MUSLIM CONSTITUTION WESTERN MEDIAS.

NO ISLAMISTS AND NO ISLAMO AUTOCRATES!

PRO-SECULAR CONSTITUTIONS ARE THOSE WHO ARE OR JUSTICE, FREEDOM, CIVIL STATE AND CONTEMPORARY PROGRES IN THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN.

— AND IF THERE IS ANY PEOPLE IN ISRAEL WHO UNFORTUNATELY BELIEVE THIS NEW DOOR OPENING TO PROGRES, WILL BE A TREAT OR BAD FOR THEM, THEY ARE SURELY WRONG. DESPITE THEIR POSSIBLE FUTURE ACCESS TO CONTEMPORARY PROGRES, THEY WILL HAVE NO RAISON TO DEVELOP NUCLEAR OR OTHER SOPHISTICATED WEAPONS TO ATTACK ISRAEL.
AND EVERY HUMAN, ALL THE PEOPLE OF THE WORLD, HAVE THE LEGITIMATE RIGHT TO ACCESS DEMOCRACY AND GLOBAL CONTEMPORARY PROGRES.

THERE IS NO QUESTION ABOUT THE HISTORICAL RIGHTS OF THE ISRAELI PEOPLE, BUT THE TWO STATE SOLUTION IS STILL A SOLUTION, POSSIBLY THE ONLY SOLUTION AVAILABLE, AS IT SEEMS THERE IS NO OTHER SOLUTION…— WHERE PEOPLE ARE HEADING?

ALL SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN COUNTRIES/POPULATIONS/RULERS, FROM SYRIA TO MOROCCO, SHOULD START AS SOON AS POSSIBLE, TRUE SECULARIZATION OF EDUCATION SYSTEM, JUDICIARY SYSTEM AND POLITICAL SYSTEM, AS WELL AS MEDIA, TV AND RADIO, IN THE PURPOSE TO IMPROVE CULTURE AND MENTALITY OF CITIZENS AND AVOID THE WORST. LET’S ONLY HOPE IT IS NOT TOO LATE!

MUSLIM CONSTITUTIONS IN THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN ARE MORE TREATING TO THE NEIGHBORING ISRAEL, — AND UNDER ANY MUSLIM POLITICAL MOVEMENT…BECAUE IT WILL ALWAYS DEGENERATE TO SOMETHING ELSE. THE MACABRE “SUCCESS” OF THE WESTERN SUPPORTED TOTALITARIAN DICTATORS OF SAUDI ARABIA, CAN NEVER BE REPLICATED IN THE BERBER-ARAB SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN. NO WAY! NOT SAME PEOPLE!

FOR DECADES, THE WEST AND ISRAEL DID WHAT THEY GENERALLY WRONGLY THOUGH IT WA GOOD — BUT PEOPLE SUFFERED IN A CONSIDERABLE WAY, AND WE CAN SEE THE RESULT AND ESPECIALLY NOW AND FOR ABOUT A DECADE…WHAT IS HAPPENING… WHO CAN REALLY CLAIM SUCCES?

POSSIBLY…IF CHINA AND RUSSIA WERE INVOLVED IN THE SOUTH MEDITERRANEAN FOR ALL THOSE DECADES, THEY WOULD HAVE BEEN A CERTAIN BALANCE OF POWERS INFLUENCE IN THE REGION, AND SECULAR CONSTITUTION STATE SYSTEME WOULD PROBABLY HAVE MUH MORE CHANCE TO TAKE PLACE AT THAT TIME. THE CURRENT SITUATION OF THE SOUTH-MEDITERRANEAN WOULD BE DIFFERENT.
NOW, THIS GOAL IS MUCH MORE DIFFICULT TO ACHIEVE BY THE PRO-SECULAR CONSTITUTION/STATE, ESPECIALLY DU TO THEIR WEAKNESS… COMPARED TO ISLAMIST…AND STILL NOW IN SOME WAY…BECAUSE OF THE WEST! — AN ACHIEVEMENT ALMOST COMPROMISED?
By Johanna Chentov / NOVEMBER 22, 2014 – 5:23 / UK

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By: skeeteril http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-99065 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:16:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-99065 Orit Bashkin is a professor of modern Middle Eastern history at the University of Chicago.
Ah …..university of Chicago. That explains a lot of missing information about a very complex situation. Must be something in the water, or just plain Chicago politics.

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By: skeeteril http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-99064 Sat, 22 Nov 2014 14:12:52 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-99064 If only the situation were as simple as you are stating in this “article”.

What balls to publish this ‘factoid’. Gruber,is this you?

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By: rsadr http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-99012 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 21:09:44 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-99012 What gulf are you referring to? The Persian Gulf?

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By: Syrian_moderate http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-98993 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 15:55:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-98993 Well , i have to figure out something to the readers here .
First of all , those assumptions are completely wrong . But the question is why ? , actually , being secular and sectarian at the same time is wide spread between middle eastern people across the whole spectrum of political ideologies . And this is what makes westerners think about all conflicts in the middle east as religious conflicts without considering the real causes of it . The religious reasons are widely used in middle east to justify all kinds of acts because of the religious nature of the the people .
And the most confusing assumption is to consider all islamists as one ideology , Muslim brotherhood factions are an obvious example about this . In comparison with ISIS which is a far offshoot of the spectrum .
About being a ‘westerner’ country or not , This doesn’t matter at all , because being western backed is nothing more than mutual interest between you and USA or Europe .
And concerning the guy who is arguing that sharia law is a totalitarian law , i would say that sharia is not about the imam’s interpretation of islam . It can be simply well organised as a rigid lawful system , and this -if someone wanted to do it- will be very easy considering the peole who are really religious .

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By: Counselor2 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-98988 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 14:26:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-98988 Quacknduck: Your contribution is interesting, contains some correct points, but I expect the degree of negativity is based in part on comparing an ideal Western system, negative realities left out, to an incomplete image of the system under Islam. What, more specifically do you mean by “brokering?”

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By: pharoah http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-98973 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 08:03:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-98973 Say something new please. This superficial generalization you make in three assumptions is like saying reducing the Torah, Koran and old testament by explaining “a tooth for a tooth”

Indeed not only politics in region are complex. Almost every aspect of human interaction is nuanced and emotionally laden. Few westerners can fathom this and invariably put their foot in it and make wrong often disastrous assumption.
Just look at Obama’s reaction to and handling of the Egyptian situation.

To say nothing of the Iraqi, Syrian and Libyan catastrophes.

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By: smokeymtnblues http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/11/20/three-assumptions-about-the-middle-east-that-are-just-plain-wrong/#comment-98972 Fri, 21 Nov 2014 07:58:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=35854#comment-98972 Article fails to mention that the Arabian Gulf region is still very much tribal in nature and behavior.

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