Comments on: #BlackLivesMatter: How the world sees Eric Garner, Michael Brown cases http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: teoni24 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-116614 Fri, 16 Jan 2015 03:34:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-116614 They look at us and all they see is the color of our skin, they don’t see what’s on the inside, they don’t listen to us or our voice they just judge us. They wear a badge so they think the have the authority to kill and treat us any kind of way, the saying” treat others how you want to b e treated” still applies. They can go straight home to their families and not care about how the loved one of those killed feel. Some do, do there job right but they don’t do enough to stop it. well WE DO MATTER!

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By: neelsn http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104361 Thu, 11 Dec 2014 15:49:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104361 Neither case is a teaching example for anything other than how to NOT deal with police when you are breaking the law. Garner did not die from a choke hold. He died because he had trouble breathing all the time and was weak. Did the police escalate too quickly? YES. Do they do that only with minorities? NO. Should they have allowed him up to recover? YES. Do police treat all white people with care and courtesy? NO. Does every white person in court get justice? CERTAINLY NOT!

Too many in the US black community view confrontations with police and other authorities as a chance to sue. It is a financial tactic akin to buying a lottery ticket. Garner’s family will cash in on this. That may have been his motivation, although he probably did not plan on dying.

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By: John2244 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104180 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:58:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104180 Any analysis or comparison of police forces should focus on the fundamental difference in the US and many of the other nations. Most countries have a National Police force – like China, India, Turkey, Mexico, Italy. The advantages are that these forces are highly structured and processes can be implemented nation wide. In addition all of these forces can call in the cavalry, specialists, etc. The US by contrast has no national police and even the state police is usually weak (limited to serious crimes and highways). The US has 10,000’s of county and city police forces that work within different legal structures. Therefore there is no way the US police can be “bad”. There are good and bad. The Ferguson Police force obviously has problems and the killing there was a symptom. The New York Police force on the whole is integrated into neighborhoods but its such a large force that cops do wrong – but they are generally outliers. In the US its not police – its the general population that feels that African Americans might be a greater threat in a situation versus a white person. If its in the general population then of course it carry’s into a police force and gets multiplied when a police forces racial makeup is different than citizens. The point is – this is not an issue with US police forces – its an issue with society.

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By: brotherkenny4 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104173 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:27:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104173 The nation which tortures, and kills more people in wars than anyone since WW2 and has more prisoners than any other is in fact the most loving and considerate of Christian nations.

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104169 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 20:11:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104169 There is no single, “collective world view” on ANYTHING as the headline suggests. Like a camera, what we each “see” depends on the lens we choose and the clarity of both that lens and anything else such as glare, dust, water, a scratch or even a finger that gets between film and subject. What we see through the lens of our eyes is filtered (heavily influenced) by our individual upbringing and experience.

Minorities such as blacks and Hispanics whose “communities” consciously reject the manners and values of American society in favor of obviously flawed alternatives generally associated with thuggery cannot credibly then object when they are, as a whole, treated differently than other citizens. It is they and they alone who must reject the image their “worst 1%” supply the media day after day and night after night of carjackings, drug use and violence, random drive by shootings and other behavior the most unintelligent person absolutely knows American society cannot tolerate and survive.

It is the responsibility of “the world” and individuals to see and perceive the truth no matter how obscured or elusive that truth may be. Everything else is chaff and not wheat to nourish the open mind.

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By: retroarama http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104109 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 15:01:30 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104109 White children learn early on the policeman is your friend. He keeps us safe It is their truth but the truth is often skewed as simplistic as the vintage schoolbook illustrations I grew up with The all American white schoolbooks of my own 1960s childhood serve as nothing less than a primer on white privilege. If racial identity shapes the way people are treated by police it also shapes the way we are likely to view them. Take a look http://wp.me/p2qifI-2yI

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By: wilhelm http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104107 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 14:46:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104107 the comments overseas share a consistent observation about the inequity of USA society – what differs is how they choose to map it to their own society … just as some comments here choose to deny facts or defend the oppression that is manifest in both Ferguson and New York.

Denial will not make that inequality disappear, however, nor will it dissuade those who are now resisting it. Just as further state (i.e. police) violence will simply prove the point.

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By: Pulayadi http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104089 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:36:40 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104089 what a screwed up article.Author needs her caffeine?

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By: OneOfTheSheep http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104046 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 07:47:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104046 To such point as black lives don’t matter in America, it is because blacks AND NO ONE ELSE squander their opportunity to acquire a useful public education, to prepare themselves to be productive citizens, and to live as part of the civil society of America. Few admit to the fact that many, many blacks today do not habitually conduct themselves with civility.

These individuals consciously choose to dress and/or act as thugs, to aggressively intimidate other citizens with acts of carjacking, assault, robbery, and the like. It doesn’t matter that 99% are fundamentally law abiding citizens if the other 1% are the ones that get TV coverage robbing convenience stores, killing themselves in drive-by shootings, selling and doing drugs or disrupting the very educational process in public schools.

Those who choose to dress like these thugs, talk like these thugs and act like these thugs, should not be surprised when they are then treated like a thug. American civil society rejects thuggery, and in such rejection thugs and, in particular, thug lives don’t matter.

In America people are judged not by what they say, but what they do. It is not by accident that so many young blacks are incarcerated, because this is how civil society removes the uncivil from amongst us.

Those who would claim the rights and privileges of honest American citizens has best look and act like honest American citizens. They must accept the civic responsibility to challenge those whose appearance and acts demean black and hispanic citizens. They must conduct their own lives as positive examples to one and all.

Blacks today have a really, really bad image problem. It has always been true that when it comes to a “civil society, one is “either with us or against us”.

The reality of black on black violence and victimization is why young blacks are commonly perceived by other citizens, including other blacks and the police, as a threat to individual and civic peace and order. Only minority communities can demand and effect the change that will allow individual social and economic integration as acceptable and desired members of civil society.

If “…parents…have to worry that their children will be stopped and frisked on the street, or kicked out of school for minor offenses, or harassed while they’re trying to learn…”, they have to look in the mirror and ask themselves WHY this happens and WHO is responsible. People should only become parents who are willing and able to pay all costs of raising those children to be responsible adults. If they expect public programs to pay those expenses and do not raise CIVIL children, the price of such stupidity is what we have today.

There are two choices for an minority community…fix what’s wrong or accept the consequences of continuing to do (or not do) what you’re doing. Choose wisely.

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By: SixthRomeo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/09/blacklivesmatter-how-the-world-sees-eric-garner-michael-brown-cases/#comment-104043 Wed, 10 Dec 2014 07:21:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36326#comment-104043 The world sees the anarchists in the USA exactly as that, anarchists. Free Christmas “shopping” as looters and flash mobs isn’t a result of police actions against anarchists. Only the shallow scofflaws and those who make money from supporting professional “victims” claim these actions to be racist.

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