Comments on: Torture, deny, repeat: ‘Enhanced interrogation’ never works, the CIA never learns http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: parvaez http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-105615 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:35:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-105615 the one thing these torture programmes did was that it made americans lot of enemies with resolve to kill and a big force which according to me will one day eliminate US ,because of its double standards visa vi palestenians and isreals and muslims all over middle east,i dont know why US got involved in hornets nest. i forsee demise of western empire and emergence of eastern empires.

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By: parvaez http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-105613 Tue, 16 Dec 2014 17:32:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-105613 the one thing these torture programmes did was that it made americans lot of enemies with resolve to kill and a big force which according to me will one day eliminate US ,because of its double standards visa vi palestenians and isreals and muslims all over middle east,i dont know why US got involved in hornets nest. i forsee demise of western empire and emergence of eastern empires

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By: JohnnyKay1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-105103 Sun, 14 Dec 2014 20:38:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-105103 The question of whether or not torture works is irrelevant. It is wrong. There are some absolutes in life, and that is one of them.

But let’s step back a moment and ask another question: What is the real reason the Senate torture report was issued and is being prominently covered by the corporate media?

The official debate over the use of torture is purposely limited by the assumption that 9/11 was carried out by foreign terrorists led by Osama bin Laden. The debate is restricted to, “Was it justified under the circumstances, or was it not justified under the circumstances?”

However, the reality is that those circumstances are a colossal lie. We must confront the truth: 9/11 was a false-flag attack carried out by our own government. What we’re now seeing in the corporate media is a scripted, contrived debate whose real purpose is to reinforce the official narrative of 9/11.

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By: JohnnyKay1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104990 Sun, 14 Dec 2014 05:14:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104990 The question of whether or not torture works is irrelevant. It is wrong. There are some absolutes in life, and that is one of them.

But let’s step back and ask another question: What is the real reason the Senate torture report was issued and is being prominently covered by the corporate media?

The official debate over the use of torture is purposely limited by the assumption that 9/11 was carried out by foreign terrorists led by Osama bin Laden. The debate is restricted to, “Was it justified under the circumstances, or was it not justified under the circumstances?”

However, the reality is that those circumstances are a colossal lie. We must confront the truth: 9/11 was a false-flag attack carried out by our own government. What we’re now seeing in the corporate media is a scripted, contrived debate whose real purpose is to reinforce the official narrative of 9/11.

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By: ShaheebISher http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104946 Sat, 13 Dec 2014 20:23:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104946 U.S. Drone Strikes

I believe the main concern about these robots is they are not able to exercise discretion. In a combat zone where civilian casualties are likely, an disproportionate use of lethal force could act as a form of private prosecution outside of the legal process. Any deployment of heavy weaponry must be proportionate to a defined security threat established under international law. There is limited capability for civilians to protest for surrender or for protest to be recognised, an important aspect of the Geneva Convention. Can we seriously sanction heavy weapons in civilian areas, when there may be restricted human judgement that could affect control? Increasingly, UAV’s and robots are considered as third parties above considerations of territorial integrity, making combat zones harder to define. In view of the moral justification to deploy unmanned systems or robotics overseas – to save civilian lives overseas, it is unacceptable to disproportionately risk civilians lives with increased number, duration and range of attacks outside of international law.

There are serious ethical, moral and legal questions about the growing use of armed drones which need to be properly debated. However, it is impossible to have such a debate while information is being kept secret. At the very least, it seems that public discussion is being controlled.

Many people are extremely troubled by the growing use of robotics and unmanned aerial vehicles to launch attacks at great distances. Traditionally, one of the key restraints on warfare has been the risk to your own forces and, if this restraint is taken away, unmanned systems may simply make war more likely. The way that unmanned drones/robotics have enabled a huge increase in targeted killing is also causing deep disquiet amongst legal experts and scholars.

However, perhaps the greatest concern relates to what is seen as one of the key capabilities of robots and drones – their ability to loiter over an area for hours or even days. Evidence is beginning to emerge that the persistent presence of drone sitting over remote villages and towns, simply looking for ‘targets of opportunity’, leads to an increase in civilian casualties.

Does the supposed accuracy of robotic sensors and cameras mean that commanders are more willing to undertake ‘riskier’ strikes (in terms of possible civilian casualties) than they would previously have undertaken? The potential is rather than reducing war, unmanned systems and robotics have a propensity to escalate war by prolonging it in to a permanent state of unconditional war.

Human dignity deserves better than to be abandoned to the discretion of a computer thousands of miles away, without recourse to the sensibilities of a situation of ordinary people aiming for ordinary human rights.

Shaheeb Inayat Sher
Manningham Human Rights

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By: ThomasShaf http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104655 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:39:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104655 The contractors for the U.S. government who have permitted a breach of “secret” projects engage in the use of chemicals to discredit individuals who have been made aware of aspects of their contracts that are considered “secret.” The private contractor’s own security engage in lacing household food with chemicals and making video’s of the results in an attempt to accomplich this. There is no oversight for these actions to protect the income to a company for projects that become worthless when publicly know. This is not a speculative statement. The U.S. government contracts with foreign companies, who we consider partners in many security matters – and the actions of these companies are ignored.

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By: Yowser http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104653 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:33:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104653 Perhaps the long-running discussion about whether “EIT’s” work or not is a bit of a red herring. Maybe their use, or the threat of their use, was simply as another weapon of war, which we used, in error, to intimidate our enemies and carry out revenge against them.

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By: DonD1977 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104644 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 18:01:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104644 Cruelty and brutality are CONFUSED WITH STRENGTH – and in war “stronger is better” – so the CIA and military must always fight against the instinct to decend into the basement of moral depravity.

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By: fwrfwr http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104640 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:52:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104640 Just a few thoughts.

USA is way down list in education K1-12/college. We fail to teach government and history in depth. AKA we do not learn history, we are bound to repeat it. Now day the evil ones prefer to hide history, so we will never learn it, hence repeat it. Would it be criminal to hide such “history” from citizen?

Not one story or speaker or “source” seems to note if we do this, we give the world license to do same, they can find same sorry excuses for horrors.

Those that “authorize, legalize, direct such horrors are as Twain said, “those in the shadows’, and safely back inside USA, AKA No risk to them.

The excuse of “we had no time and had to do such things, then begs to ask, what is the “time”m a day, week, 6 months, year etc, Who sets the “time standard, who measures/authorizes it?

Lastly just how much moral, ethical and legal ground actually separates the excuses and justifications from all, top to “interrogators” from the SS and others defense at Nuremberg Trails of “I was just following orders”? So we must ask of our legal systems, would the excuses we hear now days of the horrors, seemingly not acceptable in Nuremberg, be acceptable now.

Lastly, it is said when one so fixates, so hates and fears the enemy for what they have done, the end up acting like them, did we?

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By: NeoRacer http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2014/12/11/torture-deny-repeat-enhanced-interrogation-never-works-the-cia-never-learns/#comment-104636 Fri, 12 Dec 2014 17:38:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=36361#comment-104636 Al Quida/ISIS just cut your head off. We wanna offer then room & board and 3 squares a day. What a joke. No wonder we’re going down

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