To become ‘French,’ abandon who you are

January 16, 2015
YOUNG MUSLIM PROTESTER SEEN DURING STREET PROTEST OF SIKHS AGAINST FRENCH BAN ON RELIGIOUS SYMBOLS ...

PHOTO (TOP): A young Muslim girl has two French flags and a headband reading “Fraternity” on her headscarf while marching to protest a French ban on religious symbols in state schools, Paris, January 31, 2004. REUTERS/Charles Platiau

The assimilation required by France’s integration policies is at odds with the liberty that its citizens championed in the streets of Paris on Sunday.

French policies — and the French elites who sustain them — mistakenly assume that there can be no unity in diversity, no liberty in their fraternity.

France today is an amalgam of peoples from more than 100 countries. They all chanted “Je suis Charlie” — but in very different accents. One of every five French babies born today, according to French demographers, has at least one foreign-born parent. French Muslims, largely immigrants from Algeria, Morocco, Tunisia and Senegal, make up between 5 percent and 10 percent of the population — roughly 5 million people. Yet French integration policies do not acknowledge this demographic shift.

To bind together this diverse population, France continues to demand a degree of assimilation that expressly seeks to homogenize all immigrants into a shared mold of “Frenchness.” This is one key meaning of French fraternité — a brotherhood that erases all differences to create the “French people.”

Citizens carrying placards reading "Charlie it is us" and "The religions united against the hatred" take part in a Hundreds of thousands of French citizens solidarity march (Marche Republicaine) in the streets of Paris

Citizens carrying placards reading “Charlie it is us” and “The religions united against the hatred” take part in a French citizens solidarity march in Paris, January 11, 2015. REUTERS/Charles Platiau

This brand of assimilation is far different from that in the United States, for example. U.S. assimilation evolved over the 20th century to acknowledge, accommodate and even celebrate immigrants’ native lands. As a historic refuge for religious minorities, the United States protects personal and public displays of ethnic or religious differences, while prohibiting the government from establishing any national religion.

The French government, however, prohibits people from any “ostentatious” display of religion. Religiously symbolic clothes or demonstrations are banned in public places, such as schools and government offices.

This is because the French Constitution, born from the French Revolution, recognizes individuals rather than groups. The government acknowledges no specific religious or ethnic identity—only a person’s civic identity.

If everyone is equally French, goes the logic, why would the government need to accommodate any ethnic or religious group? French laws frown on affirmative action and second-language instruction in schools. They prohibit state funding for any organization with ties to a religious body and refuse to collect census data about citizens’ faith. The country only recently expanded anti-discrimination laws.

The pursuit of this nationwide equality, however, has led to an aggressive suppression of diversity. A 2004 law banning headscarves, implicitly directed at Muslim women, opened a heated national debate about the place of religion in public life. This debate grew more charged after France passed a 2011 law explicitly banning face veils from all public spaces.

Young muslim girls demonstrate in favour of the Islamic headscarf during a march in Strasbourg, East..

Young Muslim girls demonstrate in favor of the Islamic headscarf in a march in Strasbourg, Eastern France. The banner reads: “A law against the headscarf or against Islam,” December 20, 2003. REUTERS/Archive

It is clear that other religions are not treated the same way. Christians, for example, are officially permitted to wear crosses — because they are deemed to be less “ostentatious.” Though Jews may be officially banned from wearing yarmulkes, this law is rarely enforced or even discussed.

The flames have been also been fanned by the Islamophobic rhetoric of the National Front. High levels of casual discrimination and low levels of social mobility prevent France’s Muslims — 40 percent of whom live in Paris –from leaving ghettoized suburbs after multiple generations.

The result is a Muslim population that feels as if it does not possess the same freedom that so many Parisians have touted and defended in the past week. Many Muslims feel like they are not free to be Muslim in French society out of a fear of social rejection and economic penalty.

This policy has noble intentions. It is intended to ensure that France is not divided and no particular group is favored. That all are equal before the law. But France’s embrace of French equality should not entail a rejection of those who claim differences.

In this light, recent events in France plug into a wider debate that all diversifying societies must have about the recognition and accommodation of difference.

Sweden, Germany, Holland, Spain, Switzerland, Italy, Greece and the United Kingdom all share France’s dilemma. Radical-right and center-right political parties are building strength and momentum from a backlash against demographic trends that are irreversible.

The choice is not whether countries that have taken in large numbers of immigrants can undo the changes that have taken place, but rather how they can forge new forms of fraternity.

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Muslim women can cover their whole body except for the face in France, and if they must be so pious as to do so, they should go to an Arab country where it is encouraged (and women are marginalized). To cover your face in a Western society is to shun your fellow citizens, disdain their fellowship, seeking to participate in society yet withhold your identity from others.

The headscarves banned in public schools follows France’s long history of religious neutrality in public places. However, to be fair, visible crosses should also be banned.

Yes French Muslims, celebrate your culture, embrace your religion, fight for socio-economic justice, but don’t think abhorrent practices like wearing burqas will ever be accepted in a free society like France.

Posted by distancematters | Report as abusive

Do people still really think ‘Islamaphobe’ is a legitimate term?

Posted by Globalist. | Report as abusive

“French policies — and the French elites who sustain them — mistakenly assume that there can be no unity in diversity, no liberty in their fraternity.”

Well you’ve shown your bias. The course that Europe has been on with no assimilation has to be changed, period. You’re an idiot and part of the problem if you do not see that.

Posted by MitchThundercok | Report as abusive

Classic apologist argument. Many muslims come from theocratic countries where islam is the only openly acknowledged and permitted religion. My parents, devout catholics, lived in Saudi Arabia for a number of years. They practiced their religion secretly, my mother did not wear her gold cross and she covered herself. She was no allowed to drive and did not leave the “compound” without my father. She did that because she realized she was in a foreign country with a different religion and culture. She did it out of respect for the culture she was visiting.
Western Europe had a long Christian tradition which has given way to a largely secular society. Christian western Europe has learned (after millions have died in the name of religion) that is best to separate government from religion. They have done so probably to a greater extent than the US.
Secularism is now the tradition and culture of Western Europe. Islam and Muslims are welcome, provided they respect the culture and traditions of Europe. That means that religion cannot be front and center in public life and that the laws of society cannot be bent to conform to your religious beliefs and what offends “Islam.” If Europe’s Muslims cannot reconcile that quandary, then they are doomed. The article on Reuters today about the Muslim cleric describing snowmen as “anti-Islamic” should make it clear the struggle Muslims will face in assimilation outside Islamic countries.

Posted by forzapista | Report as abusive

One glaring issue that the writer of this opinion article fails to address is “Is wearing a burqa/hajib or similar covering a sign of the Muslim faith?” Historically, Muslim religious scholars have interpreted the passages of the Qur’an pertaining to modesty traditions in different ways. Some Muslims say that the Qur’an does not require women to cover their faces or their full bodies whereas others say they must.

The wearing of headscarves or full body garments in the Middle East pre-dated the spread of Islam and appears more closely linked with the concept of namus, or honor, a patriarchal concept whereby men are shamed or lose honor because their wives or women in their family do not adhere to proper modesty.

As of 2015, many predominantly Muslim countries or countries with large percentages of Muslims (far greater than that of France or Western Europe) do not require the wearing of hajibs or burqas (and some like Iran actively discourage it), e.g. Bangladesh, Indonesia, Gambia, Iran, Jordan, Pakistan, Turkey and Malaysia.

Posted by Stay_Informed | Report as abusive

You can not compare the way the US deals with its immigration and the way France does. A huge difference between them is how people express their patriotism. Americans have flags everywhere, kids plead allegiance to these flags every morning : it is some sort of loudy patriotism that no Frenchman would understand. The French pride is much more discreet : flags are forbidden in private spaces, people hesitate before singing the anthem, yet they don’t feel like they are less attached to their country. America can encourage the membership of different cultures, religions or ethnic groups, because the American way surrounds everything, stars and stripes are everywhere. You can’t be in America without feeling it, it is unique. In France, this aspect is hidden, more difficult to feel, just because French people believe it is the better way to welcome foreigners. In order for them to feel like France could be their new home, French people think that every (especially religious) sign that could indirectly harm them should be hidden, so that every one stands equally before the Republic and its ideal of justice. This is not about preventing people from being what they are and expressing it ; it is about protecting them. Integration is rather “forced” by law and equality principles, while in the US, it is up to you to feel American or not, knowing that you are living in American pride.

Posted by mp74 | Report as abusive

The source of the French laws against face-veiling belong to the same legal substrate as the country’s laws against “Tossing a Dwarf” — that it is against the dignity of a person. The laws, however, weren’t really formed to control Muslim’s dress. They were passed to protect non-Muslim teenage girls against the rape attacks that targeted them for NOT being veiled. Such attacks were rampant until after the law was passed. Muslim male gang-rapes diminished after it, because they could no longer really tell if the girl they were about to brutalize was a Muslim. I think it’s pretty clear that the veiling that has swept the West since 9/11 is a political statement in which Muslim women (who don’t get a vote in the ulema about this as they can’t belong to the ulema that makes such rules) are forced to act as billboards for the religion whether they like it or not. If they were REALLY free to choose, I might have another opinion, but they are not. They’ll be punished if they don’t go along, just like they will be killed it they don’t marry inside the Islamic religion, because THAT WOMB SHE’S CARRYING BELONGS TO THE RELIGION, NOT TO HER. In fact, that whole body belongs to the religion. Since the religion belongs to MEN, it’s another way of saying that to protect male “rights” she has no choice over almost anything in her life. For that reason, I DO see the veil as a emblem of the stripping of human rights of all women (Hindu, Muslim, some sects of Christianity, some ethnic subsets in Greece, Macedonia, Albania, etc.) whose bodies are effectively 100% owned for a religion, an ethnic culture, or a government (like the Chinese, who will tell a woman she must have an abortion). The French were right. And they used the right legal framework institute a law that protects all women in France, perhaps especially Muslim women.

Posted by LegalEagle2323 | Report as abusive

The model for America was LONDON.

Multiculturalism is a flawed Failure.

It is not that Jew/Buddhist/Shintoist must give up their religion/Culture.

It is, does the Jew/Buddhist/Shintoist become a British/German Jew/Buddhist/Shintoist? Accepting the norm’s, culture, and custom’s of the nation.

As opposed to attempting to force the nation of residence to bow to their norm’s, culture, and custom’s, making them superior to the norm’s, culture, and custom’s of the Nation of residence. Particularly in the Education of the future generation’s.

So remaining a Jew/Buddhist/Shintoist with other national affiliation’s, who lives in England/france/Germany.

Simply put France has many many “muslim French citizen’s”, and very very FEW “French muslim Citizen’s”. Which is causing France to loose its “French Jew’s”, among other problem’s.

Posted by nzl-kz7 | Report as abusive

Mrs Nougayrede is debatting on the Guardian the meaning of the event. Both of you have a part of the truth. France is full of Muslims but need them to won the war. You could sing as Dylan.”something is happening here but you don’t know what is this”. It is provocation only. The provocation of Charlie against muslims and a President copiing this behaviour and applying it to create a renewal of its audience. President of France handled the crowd as Mao did during the cultural revolution. He is establishing a record that can’t be challenged by his opponent. That’s why so many people don’t believe the facts and are shouting at complot. Murderers were very close if not completly included in a gangster life. They can have been paid by just anyone”

Posted by meleze | Report as abusive

‘The choice is not whether countries that have taken in large numbers of immigrants can undo the changes that have taken place, but rather how they can forge new forms of fraternity.’

Why don’t the more well to do countries stop taking in so may immigrants, especially from countries whose culture is simply at odds with that of their destination? Are so many really needed? Oh yes, the economy, that very generic term for a system which does nothing at the moment for ordinary native people- of course it makes the ‘elites’ richer. Governments are constantly banging on about tackling ‘extremism’, if they really cared about tackling this they would not allow in so many migrants from parts of the world who are completely different from Europeans. Let’s think: do countries (like Ireland or Poland) that have low levels of immigration suffer such a huge threat of ‘extremism’? No. Why is that?

Posted by steve84 | Report as abusive

Firstly, I cannot understand how a society that values and respects the individual cannot by definition also respect the rights of groups. Groups are merely where individuals overlap, many exist purely because of individuals – not all are constructed.

forzapista,
Your mother did not do that only because of foreign culture, she did that because some of those things are plain illegal in Saudi Arabia. Also I cannot see how this can be used as an argument. You are essentially advocating the transformation of our OPEN and tolerant society, with freedom of (religious) expression, into a society like Saudi Arabia, where individuals are not free to express themselves – particularly those of non-state religions.

Stay_Informed,
There are plenty of other concepts that predate monotheistic religion yet were largely incorporated into the belief structures. Marriage is the most obvious example. Who cares if it is truly religious or not. If an individual woman wants to wear a headscarf or burqa then let them! It is not up to you or I or the state to dictate to others these things. By outlawing such things in the West we are replacing the authoritative, dictatorial husband with an authoritative, dictatorial society.

What’s the difference between a husband that forces his wife (or wives?) to cover up completely in public or a state/society that forces women to uncover in public? None in my eyes.

Posted by RobertKnolles | Report as abusive

I’m French and this article upset me a little. You seem to know nothing about France and it’s diversity; for you French people are divided into islamophobic and muslims.
YES, in France, society still has a problem with religion. Our tradition of deep laicity is at odds with the wish for some of us to follow their culture and faith. There is a strong belief in France that someone wearing religious symbols or clothes is “promoting” their religion or culture.
YES, there is also some racism and islamophobia in France.
BUT.
I have been in a public high school with a majority of christians, I’ve NEVER seen someone with a cross or yarmulkes, and never seen someone with a veil. The only thing authorised is a pendant hidden under your clothes. Stuff happens to be unfair, but it is not general.
And NO, we will not carry any “census data about citizens’ faith”. The faith is something we consider as private life, personnal life. Censu about race or ethnicity should be done to improve affirmative action, but not faith.
YES, full face veils are banned (burqa, I think niqab is still authorised). Because hiding your face in the streets – except during carnaval – is dangerous. Imagine a woman who comes to catch up her child at school and you cannot see her face? It can be someone else!
NO, muslims are not in ghettos because they are muslims, but because in France we also have a problem with social mobility. By the way, I don’t think ethnic ghettos and race problems are really something USA has got rid of, so I’m not THAT sure USA model of integration is truly better than ours.
Let me remember you also that National Front does not represent the entire France, and that some of us are thinking and working at improving diversity in our country.
And YES, it is better to believe in individuals. I don’t want to be parted in a category myself, how would I? There are so many differences between two muslims, two catholics, two atheists! These would only create new inequalities! I do believe in freeom not in boxes.
To put it in a nutshell: yes we are not perfect, but we are trying. And you seem not to know enough about France to understand it.
Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!

Posted by AngelBain | Report as abusive

I think your analysis do not take into account that the french republic was not religiously neutral when it was first created in 1793: they persecuted actively practising catholics, killed priests loyal to Rome and made mass murders ( between 5000000 and 1 000000 people) in Vendée.
The 1905 “laicity law” is not about the state being neutral, it was directed against Catholics ant closed a lot of monasteries… in 1905, not in 1600! and permitted General André, then Minister of Defense, to bar Catholics officers from promotion.
The same law, and new laws banning veils, are now used agains muslims…

Posted by ytdghhj | Report as abusive

“Freedom of speech” only exists where ALL opinions can be expressed without fear of government. This ESPECIALLY applies to the expression of views that are extremely unpopular and even repulsive to most people.

As has been noted by other commentators, the lip service paid by French politicians (and those of most other countries) to free speech is pure hypocrisy. That recent march where all those national leaders joined hands was a nauseating spectacle.

Like many countries, France has a government that attempts to control thought by controlling speech. It’s a totalitarian practice straight out of Orwell. Even worse, the standards of speech-control are applied inequitably and are used to favor some groups over others, depending on who has greater political influence.

For example, it is a criminal offense in France to question the Holocaust of WWII, since such questioning is offensive to Jews. Yet it’s perfectly legal to question other historical acts of genocide, such as that of the Armenians. Similarly, in 2013 the French government demanded that Twitter reveal the identities behind certain accounts that were responsible for tweets deemed anti-Jewish. Yet the French government is suddenly paying lip service to free speech when Muslims are being attacked.

There is neither “liberty” nor “equality” in France, so there can certainly be no “fraternity.”

Posted by Heretic50 | Report as abusive

Please, stop victimizing the “poor” muslims. Integration is a foreign word i. e. concept to them! Also while claiming for their rights to be free to be Muslim in other societies than theirs, they should show the same tolerance towards other religions in their own countries. But this would go too far, istn´t it?

Posted by Semde | Report as abusive

Ignorance of Islam will not save France, nor any other infidel nation.

Some individual Muslims may be compatible with freedom and free nations, but Islam itself is not compatible.

The Koran promises that Islam will rule the world. RULE. Same as Communism and Fascism want to RULE. Islam’s most knowledgeable and honest followers will always pursue that path. Like Communism and Fascism, Islam has no problem using violence and deception, as it has from the beginning.

Posted by TomTheTaxPayer | Report as abusive

Get Out. don’t like it, go back to Sudan

Posted by j8h9 | Report as abusive

Very good article nicely articulating the deficits in the hypocrisy of France/Europe about liberty. How does individual freedom is honored by repressing individual’s freedom to practice his own religion? Obviously the flaws in Frace/Europe’s law/social/political practice is more acute when its treatments of Muslim in a double standard way generate more discrimination.

Posted by rashedanam | Report as abusive

Polls show that Muslims favor democracy and by inference those freedoms that are the basis of wester society. This puts them at odds with the Islam being taught by many many imans. Democracy and civil freedoms as well as muslims living happily in free societies are threats to the power of the imans. Neither the west nor the muslim people need to change to accommodate each other. What must change is the radical intolerant anti freedom message being taught by radical imans.

Posted by ALEXARMAC | Report as abusive

Best analysis I’ve read so far !

Posted by John1010 | Report as abusive

Just like to add, after reading the posts: Muslims in France are not foreigners. And, if I’m not mistaken, they were French (citizens) before they even got to France. So maybe it’s the non-Muslims who need to assimilate!

Posted by John1010 | Report as abusive

to the extent that you have the situation ass backwards, you must truly be french. assimilation is vital for national identity. just watch the uk.

Posted by harrykrishna | Report as abusive

“U.S. assimilation evolved over the 20th century to acknowledge, accommodate and even celebrate immigrants’ native lands.” Yes it did, and the great majority of Americans are not at all happy. How is “African-American” takes seven syllables to say what “black” does. Is that individual in any manner better pff or changed by the use of these alternate terms?

Our press has been coerced to drop the term “wetback” for millions and millions of illegal aliens that have disregarded our laws and our southern border, jumping our fences to come here and squat. They now must be “politically correct” and refer to these people as “undocumented immigrants”. That’s about as logical as referring to the local drug sealer as an unlicensed pharmacist. Please.

By and large these people are not wanted here. Most come with no money, no skills, no education, no job, and no English. They are an endless burden on our society of successive generations. They put forth no effort to assimilate because we no longer insist that they do so. As a direct result, we must provide bilingual education, endless forms and facilitators.

Their children get free food at school, and many sre successful in circumventing our restrictions on welfare for non-citizens by means of fake or stolen identities. By using our Emergency Rooms as their personal health care system and baby mills (and paying nothing) they are why communities that cannot afford such expenses over the long term to close. America would be a far better and less expensive place without them

“…France passed a 2011 law explicitly banning face veils from all public spaces.” For good reason. As it become more and more necessary to recognize individual extremists previously known or returning from jihad in some third world hell hole (with God knows what local diseases), computer face matching will become ever more important as racial profiling becomes less and less “acceptable”.

“The choice is not whether countries that have taken in large numbers of immigrants can undo the changes that have taken place, but rather how they can forge new forms of fraternity.” I disagree absolutely. Many changes that have taken place are or will quickly become unsustainable. The difference between civil society and that which is decisesly uncivil is self-evident by individual and collective conduct.

The old saying: “When in Rome, do as the Romans do” was very wise. Any idiot who might petition the Roman Senate to observe Sharia law would (and should) have been killed. That part of the world that is NOT muslim remains in control of most of the world’s first line military and it’s primary economic currencies.

We, the people, are not stupid enough to passively await the day you out-breed us to take the helm with ballot box and then be exterminated as infidels.

Posted by OneOfTheSheep | Report as abusive

where are my comments?

Posted by John1010 | Report as abusive

The commotion for liberty and fraternity is odd coming from French who not so long ago, collectively abandoned the basics in humanity and collaborated with Nazis to send their compatriots to gas chambers.

Posted by julianzr | Report as abusive

America has been and is the great melting pot, assimilating immigrants of all religious and ethnic backgrounds who then think of themselves first as Americans. African Americans are never referred to as “American Africans”. As long as different cultural and religious groups see that as their first identity and the country where they live as secondary, then they can never be fully integrated as citizens. The terms “French Muslims” or “French Jews” highlights the primary allegiance and identity with the religious group, not the country of residence (or nationality). It can be argued that the recent atrocities in Paris have nothing to do with France. The families of the four Jewish victims chose to have their bodies buried in Israel not in France – why? Integration is a mindset required of the immigrant groups and can never be imposed by the State.

Posted by tytoalba | Report as abusive

The pattern I notice in the Canadas ( often mistakenly spelled with a dropped final ‘s’ ) is there is just not really much debate, but still a lof of discrimination against the ‘lebanese’ , the term for all arab immigrants ; I can only speak for English aka ‘upper’ Canada while quebec has an entirely different reality, where burqas have been banned in some place but these are mostly small towns, that does not happen in the large cities such as Montréal; moreover western Canada suffers from a chronic labour shortage and the conservative party here is pro-immigration while the left is not like that, they are more into preserving jobs or training locals ; who’s right. I don’t think there will be the problems of France here because the economy is usually expanding at any given time so you do not have the joblessness prevalent in the French or in Paris suburbs, immigrants might concentrate in innter suburbs but you do not have the joblessness, you might have other problems such as transportation not being great but that is on a different scale from what happens in Paris. I think livelihood or lack thereof will drive the other problems; discrimination exists here but at least you don’t have the huge swaths of jobless suburb and, as in places like northern Ireland look what happened when the shipping went down there.

Posted by JohnOfOnt | Report as abusive

What about the mayor of Rotterdam (himself a Muslim born in Morocco) who declared on live TV that Muslims who do not like the freedoms granted to everybody in the EU can f**k *ff?

Do such views not count or are they Islamophobic/racist/xenophobic as well?

Why is it that France must adapt to those Muslims who do not like French secularism and liberty but those Muslims must not?

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Letter to Reuters Facebook Posted 1-19-15

I hope people read this. I feel like someone in one of those science fiction movies dictating his last will and testement. Reuters has blocked me from their Facebook page so I’ve got to post this here. I just got through reading an article titled “UK plea to imams to fight extremism draws charge of Islamophobia” by Andrew Osborn.

I’m just a dumb-ass construction worker. But I’m a dumb-ass construction worker who loves books. I love to read. It’s like guys like Osborn are talking to people who either don’t read or are too lazy or stupid to check out the facts for themselves when they submit their screeds for public consumption.

The use of the word “Islamophobia” is both insulting and dangerous. Insulting because I know that this word is pure propaganda. Literally designed to stigmatize those who dare to criticize Islam in any way. A pamphlet you can download explains it a hell of a lot better than I can. Islamophobia: Thought Crime of the Totalitarian Future by Horowitz and Spencer.

The word is dangerous because in spite of its utter ridiculousness every mainstream “news” organization in the world uses it like its the word of God. I should have probably added the word scary. Because along with all this nobody sees horrifying root that is at the bottom of all this: Jew Hatred. Jew Hatred is back. And it’s back with a vengeance. Somewhere between 1930’s Nazi Germany and today it’s actually become fashionable to blame the Jews again. And its not just Neo-Nazi Internet rags like Storm Front or whatever they’re called. Todays papers Reuters are actually shills for some of the most genocidal terrorists on the planet, starting with Hamas and the Muslim Brotherhood.

I’m actually getting a headache right now thinking about it. Reuters will sing the praises of the peaceful Palestinians yet won’t EVER mention THEIR Bible when it comes to the Jews: the Hamas Charter. I’ve printed out and read the whole thing. The Charter is nothing less than their wish on paper to exterminate every man, woman and child on Israel and in every “treaty” ever made this document is never mentioned. Nobody asks about the “Gazafication” of the West Bank if the Palestinians get their wish for an independent state. Worse, the UN has become the mouthpiece and spokesperson for the OIC and Jew Haters everywhere. I doubt this Osborn character has ever mentioned any of this.

It all started with groups like the Islamic version of the Hitler Youth on our college campuses; the Muslim Student Association and other rabid Jew haters like Students for Justice in Palestine. They try to hide behind the facade of merely disagreeing with the Israeli government. But what they’ve been able to get away with is… …well, it’s literally monstrous. Everything they preach, if you simply scratch the surface you will find the destruction of Israel and the extermination of all its Jews. Or at the very least the kind of semi-slave state they existed in in “Arab” lands. They and their co-religionists, Christians were called dhimmis.

You want a little tutorial?

The 4th Conference of the Academy of Islamic Research: Arab Theologians on Jews and Israel. Sept. 1968 Translated by D.F. Green/David G. Littman (Support Secure Freedom)Front to back; 95 pages of outrageous lies, inversion and vile Jew-Hatred.

I’ve read this whole thing. I invite you to find any comparison with Jewish, Christain or Buddhist “Conferences”.
http://supportsecurefreedom.org/wp-conte nt/uploads/2011/Arab-Theologians-on-Jews -and-Israel-4th_Ed_082011.pdf

Read Andrew Bostom’s The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism and read from page 51 on the above topic to page 53 the 2003 Putrajaya Islamic Summit and a little beyond to a speech by Sheikh Yusuf al-Qaradawi on the same page. The whole chapter is one horrific example after another of Islamic mass murder and pogroms but go ahead and start with this.

Here’s something else to chew on. Tell me if you think Miss Sultan is being Islamophobic.

Dr. Wafa Sultan exposes Islamic values with Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad
http://www.mrctv.org/videos/dr-wafa-sult an-exposes-islamic-values-sheikh-omar-ba kri-muhammad
This less than 8-minute video segment, if viewed objectively and dispassionately, could do more to educate the American public on the theory animating the practice of “Islamic international relations,” without any further explanation required. Andrew G. Bostom-The Legacy of Jihad and The Legacy of Islamic Antisemitism.

Here’s another horrifying fact; CAIR is usually the media’s “go-to” group on all things Islam. They call themselves a civil rights group for Muslims and have actually hijacked Martin Luther King Day. I shit you not. It’s true. Before you take anything Reuters says as gospel when they cite CAIR consider the following:

Muslim Mafia: Inside the Secret Underworld, (CAIR and the Muslim Brotherhood), That’s Conspiring to Islamize America by Gaubatz and Sperry.

Is CAIR a Terror Group? by Daniel Pipes (National Review Online)
http://www.danielpipes.org/15220/cair-te rror-group#print

•”CAIR is a terrorist supporting front organization that is partially funded by terrorists”;
•”CAIR … is supported by terrorist supporting individuals, groups and countries”;
•”CAIR has proven links to, and was founded by, Islamic terrorists”; and
•”CAIR actively supports terrorists and terrorist supporting groups and nations.”

Getting to Know the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR)
http://www.danielpipes.org/biblio_cair.p hp (Assorted articles)

CAIR: Islamists Fooling the Establishment by Daniel Pipes and Sharon Chadha (MEQ article)
meforum-org/916/cair-islamists-fooling-t he-establishment#_ftnref60

CAIR’s silence on pastor’s apostasy death sentence is deafening” by Andrew G. Bostom (American Thinker)
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011  /10/cairs_silence_on_pastors_apostasy_d eath_sentence_is_deafening.html

Supplemental Article “The First and Last Enemy: Jew Hatred in Islam.” by Bostom
http://archive.frontpagemag.com/readArti cle.aspx?ARTID=28549

Free Speech v. Political Correctness by Abraham H. Miller (Gatestone Institute)
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/4862/b erkeley-free-speech

Islamophobia: Thought Crime of the Totalitarian Future by David Horowitz and Robert Spencer (Booklet)

Slavery, Terrorism and Islam, (and Holocaust in Rwanda), by Peter Hammond (This is an Ass-Kicking little resource of 276 pages.)

Three years ago I was reading just reading spy novels and Gary Jennings (Aztec) and Michael Curtis Ford (Gods and Legions). And then I happened to read a few books almost back to back. The Haj by Leon Uris and Because They Hate by Brigitte Gabriel. By some stroke of good fortune I had also just finished Emmet Fox’s The Sermon on the Mount when a Summarized Bukhari I’d ordered came in the mail. I put it in the form of a:

Questions for Muslims 12-20-14

“What the horn is to the rhinoceros, what the sting is to the wasp, the Mohammedan faith is to the Arabs of the Sudan-a faculty of offence. All the warlike operations of Mohammedan peoples are characterised by fanatacism” Winston Churchill

“While Hindus, Sikhs, Christians, Parsees and Jews, along with several million adherents of an animistic religion, all coexisted in relative harmony, one religion that would not accept compromise stood out from the rest: Islam.” Mahatma Gandhi

About three years ago I ordered some reading material, including Taha’s “Second Message”, and a “study” Koran to find out what this “Islam thing” was all about. When I was sixteen I was chanting nam yo ho renge kyo to a piece of paper, (gahonzen?), having NO idea what I was doing. A few years later, hair down to my ass and a knapsack on my back, I hitchhiked cross country, got saved in Nashville Tenn. and went to live on a Christian farm in Mansfield Ohio. (Not the prison.) My gra’mom called me a “seeker”. As I said, there came a time when I wanted to understand this “religion of peace”. It was Humaid’s article on jihad I found in my Summarized Bukhari that decided “things” for me.

“we may describe it, (jihad), as a surgeon’s lancet and not a butcher’s knife.” Mahmoud Mohammed Taha (I’m sure there are about 200 million dead people that would disagree with him. And this from the guy who’s been called the Mahatma Ghandi of Islam.)

Jihad in the Qur’an and Sunnah by ‘Abdullâh bin Muhammad bin Humaid (Isn’t that interesting: I had two links to this article that no longer work. In any case, Google it. It should be easy to find. Look up Sound Vision and Abdul Malik Mujahid)

If Islam is the “religion of peace”, where in Sheikh Abdullah bin Humaid’s article on jihad can I find the equivalent of “Love Thy Neighbor” and “good will toward men”?

Explain its prominence, and significance almost as an “Introduction”, in a book, (my Summarized Sahih Al-Bukhari published by Dar-Us-Salam), that’s described as “the most authentic and true among the books of the Prophet”

Compare Humaid’s “jihad” and Emmet Fox’ Sermon on the Mount and tell me which one best represents a spirit of Love and “compassion” and tell me….

….Why, out of all the articles, out of all the words of pearly Muslim wisdom they could have put in this, “the most authentic and true among the books of the Prophet”, this is the one they chose to submit and use almost as an Introduction?

Also address “jihad” as it’s defined in Reliance of the Traveller and answer the same question. (Chapter O-9.0: Jihad O: “Jihad means to war against non-Muslims, and is etymologically derived from the word mujahada signifying warfare to establish the religion.” And explain why the “greater” jihad is only mentioned once here and never seen again in this “Classic Manual of Islamic Sacred Law”.)

I’ve posted this many times to many Muslims and have yet to get a single response. Well, I did receive a response from some goofball named “Dr.” Mohsen El-Guindy asking me to read his books. Instead I downloaded a bunch of his articles. Which were pure rants. An Imam, sidestepped it by telling me I had to “study Islam” to gain a greater understanding.

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Update 12-29-14

Question #1 for Our Muslim Friends: How can I believe that Mohammed is the greatest prophet of God? (Jacob Prasch-You Tube video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JtfUSpov 9ww

Question #2 for Our Muslim Friends: If Islam is a religion of peace & tolerance, why are there no Islamic countries of peace or tolerance? (Jacob Prasch-You Tube video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WDePthOh cuE

Question #3 for Our Muslim Friends: Why does Islam still practice slavery? (Jacob Prasch-You Tube video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhoXKg3d LK0
If you want a “supplement” to this video get Slavery, Terrorism and Islam by Peter Hammond. An /ss Kicker. It utterly destroys Islam.

Question #4 for Our Muslim Friends: Why does your holy book say the mother of Jesus and the sister of Moses are the same person? (Jacob Prasch-You Tube video) Hammond’s book answers this as well.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u1DT7Dqs s5k

Question #5 for Our Muslim Friends: Why has Islam never been able to deliver on the promise of ummah? The better question would be when he askes why is it that Democracies don’t fight each other yet Muslims slaughter other Muslims? (Jacob Prasch-You Tube video)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2jQARbiV p-g

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“French policies — and the French elites who sustain them — mistakenly assume that there can be no unity in diversity, no liberty in their fraternity”

The other “diverse” groups aren’t going around slaughtering people who “insult” or disagree with them or creating their own mini-states where non-Muslims have to fear for their lives and sharia is the only rule of law.

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1-20-15

Addition to open letter and follow-up

I honestly didn’t read this article fully until just this morning. Thing is it didn’t disappoint. It was exactly what I expected and more. Basically the writer wants to destroy France. He doesn’t get to this point in the end where he vaguely and snidely suggests that countries should accept parallel societies:

” Radical-right and center-right political parties are building strength and momentum from a backlash against demographic trends that are irreversible.”

“The choice is not whether countries that have taken in large numbers of immigrants can undo the changes that have taken place, but rather how they can forge new forms of fraternity.”

I was almost sputtering as I read this last. That’s because I had just finished Soeren Kern’s article “European ‘No-Go’ Zones: Fact or Fiction?” A problem this Justin Gest will deny even exists and will probably even suggest is a good thing.

You want to read a “contrast” between truth and un-truth? Read these two articles. I wish I were a writer and better with words. But I guess I don’t have to be when I suggest that all you have to do is compare. Compare this and other bullshit like I listened to from Russell Brand I think his name was. He was in a movie I just watched. Like other Hollyweirds he should stiick with what he knows. (Or in the case of this movie what he almost knows.)

I suggest you stop here and read both articles.

“ forge new forms of fraternity.”

I guess that means accept the hell-holes that places like Roubaix, Evry, Amins, Perpignan, Grigny and others have become and allow them to be the crime-infested mini-Islamic states these places have become.

I practically spit out my coffee as I read “To bind together this diverse population, France continues to demand a degree of assimilation that expressly seeks to homogenize all immigrants into a shared mold of “Frenchness.” This is one key meaning of French fraternité – a brotherhood that erases all differences to create the “French people.”

My first thought was “you mean like the Chinese?” I threw a challenge to Russell Brand on his You Tube channel which I mentioned that at one time I was almost a card carrying member of the Ku Klux Klan. Graduating from that state of mind I went on to appreciate, well, asian chicks.

This idiot Justin Gest is suggesting that to become French you have to give up your former identity of… …whatever. Russian, Swedish, Japanese. I’m here to tell you that is total and utter bullshit. My girlfriend’s mothers, (and one of their boyfriends), while barely able to speak a word of English were one hundred percent, true blue AMERICANS. And that goes for every other asian person I’ve ever met, (and girl “of color” and race I’ve ever gone steady with) and Soeren Kern gives a perfect example:

“The southern part of Aubervilliers is well known for its vibrant Chinese immigrant community along with their wholesale clothing and textile warehouses and import-export shopping malls. In August 2013, the weekly newsmagazine Marianne reported that Muslim immigrants felt humiliated by the economic dynamism of the Chinese, and were harassing and attacking Chinese traders, who were increasingly subject to robberies and extortion. The situation got so bad that the Chinese ambassador to France was forced to pay a visit to the area.”

“In response, the Socialist mayor of Aubervilliers, Jacques Salvator, suggested that the violence could be halted if Chinese companies would agree to hire more Arabs and Africans. The Chinese countered that Muslims do not work as hard as the Chinese, that they are more demanding, and that they complain too much, according to Marianne.”

“After local officials refused to act in the face of increasing Muslim violence, the Chinese threatened to “call on the Chinese mafia” for protection. Muslims responded by launching a petition to have the Chinese expelled from the area.”

“Muslims responded by launching a petition to have the Chinese expelled from the area.”

Let me repeat that:

“Muslims responded by launching a petition to have the Chinese expelled from the area.”

I don’t know about you but reading this just made me sick to my stomach and just confirmed what I already know about Muslims. “Muslim immigrants felt humiliated by the economic dynamism of the Chinese” Is this a perfect description of a Muslim or what. It’s all about their hurt feelings. Even Gest admits this; “Many Muslims feel like they are not free to be Muslim in French society out of a fear of social rejection and economic penalty.” I almost puked when I read this piece of trash. Really? Not free to be Muslim. Why is it the Chinese don’t have that problem? Or Buddhists. It’s always those who choose not to assimilate like the Mexicans here in the states this idiot raves about “being different from that of the United States”. NO. It’s not different. People who choose not to assimilate…..are a F-ing PROBLEM. And I should know; I’m a construction worker!

Bottom line, it perfectly illustrates the “truth vs. fiction” I mentioned at the beginning.

Again; COMPARE!

The idiot Gest suggests “The pursuit of this nationwide equality…has led to an aggressive suppression of diversity.”

REALLY??? He, of course, is talking about that burka ban. I guess trying to get your country back from what Soeren describes as a “wasteland of de-industrialization” and said that in some areas, “a third of the population of the town does not hold French nationality, and many residents are drawn to an Islamic identity.”

And always look for the ole’ “Islamophobia” she claims is part of the problem and cause of “descrimination”.

Sickening.

Like I tell Brand the first lesson I learned was that learning about Islam is all about “comparisons”. And again, Gest will suggest that these parallel societies that are infesting and slowly destroying France are a figment of the Right’s imagination. I Think Not.

Read the two articles. Compare.

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