Ukraine looking more like Poland on the brink of World War Two

January 28, 2015
Ukrainian servicemen attend a ceremony to bless ambulances in the Mikhailovsky Zlatoverkhy Cathedral in central Kiev

Ukrainian servicemen attend a ceremony to bless ambulances in the Mikhailovsky Zlatoverkhy Cathedral (St. Michael’s Golden-Domed Cathedral) in central Kiev January 27, 2015. REUTERS/Gleb Garanich

Russia is winning the battle for Ukraine. Pro-Russian separatists captured the airport at Donetsk, a bright new terminal now reduced to rubble, last week. Alexander Zakharchenko, head of the self-declared People’s Republic of Donetsk, has made it clear that he will attack Ukrainian lines once more. He will rely, as he has done before, on reinforcements from the Russian army and special forces.

As Donetsk’s airport was falling to the separatists, the embattled Ukrainian president, Petro Poroshenko, travelled to the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, to beg for support. He told attendees that more than 9,000 Russian soldiers and several hundred tanks are on active duty in Ukraine and that 7 percent of his nation’s territory is effectively occupied.

“If this is not aggression, what is aggression?” he asked.

He tried, a little desperately, to link the ongoing war in eastern Ukraine to the attack in Paris on Charlie Hebdo. He admitted that he was doing so because he did not want the world to suffer from “Ukrainian fatigue.”

The world isn’t fatigued, though, because it has made no great exertions. Ukraine today is somewhat in the position of its neighbor Poland, now a member of the European Union, before World War Two. Poland made defense pacts with both France and the United Kingdom, which obliged them to come to its aid if attacked. Both did declare war on Germany when it attacked Poland, but they did too little else, too slowly, and their armies were smashed in France by the Wehrmacht. Ukraine made an agreement in 1994, in Budapest, with the United States, the UK and Russia (France and China also joined in, with separate agreements) that its borders would be guaranteed.

Russia smashed that agreement in both Crimea and eastern Ukraine. The West, mainly through the International Monetary Fund, has given its financial support to keep the rest of Ukraine more or less going and has sanctioned Russia. EU leaders noted this week that there was “evidence of [Russia’s] continued and growing support” for separatists in eastern Ukraine, and called for the consideration of “further restrictive measures.”

Sanctions are terrible for a Russian economy already suffering from the halving of oil prices — the nation’s credit rating was cut to ”junk” by Standard and Poor’s earlier this week. But they appear to be making Russia more aggressive. In a speech in Davos last week, Igor Shuvalov, the first deputy prime minister, was quoted as telling an audience to “read our history: the Russians will never give up their leader. We will tighten our belt, eat less food, suffer any privations, but if outsiders want to force changes on us, we will be united as never before.”

President Vladimir Putin, the leader who would never be given up, told students in St. Petersburg that forces of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization were backing up the Ukrainians, a claim NATO’s secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, dismissed as “nonsense.”

To continue the analogy with Poland. If Ukraine is in the position of a semi-abandoned victim, is Russia Nazi Germany? No. The country and its president are increasingly authoritarian, but they aren’t fascist; there are no pogroms, no round-ups of liberals, no preparations for the domination of Europe. Television is tightly controlled, but you can still lampoon and criticize Putin on the Internet.

Yet in one respect, there is a parallel. Putin appears to be moving beyond laws, even those of which he approves. His press secretary, Dmitry Peskov, recently commented that “there are more important things than laws” — prompting Mikhail Fishman, Newsweek Russia editor , to write that Russia is sliding toward a situation like that in Iran, where a particular interpretation of Islamic morality and justice trumps all laws and government policy.

This “Islamization of justice,” writes Fishman, means that “even a public demonstration of legality” is dispensed with in a state that privileges “the archaic and fundamentalist idea that any alternative to the uniquely true point of view is intentionally amoral.”

Because the one point of view is uniquely true, right and just, the continued fighting in eastern Ukraine is justified, not by reference to international, or national, laws, but because Putin “has fallen victim to his own propaganda and his regime has fallen into the trap of its own moral imperatives.”

This means that there is no obvious solution because Ukraine and its Western allies are working in a different register from the Russian leadership. The former appeals to agreements and law, the latter to an intervention justified by the moral imperative of keeping Ukraine within the Russian ambit.

The region lives still in the aftermath of the dissolution of the Soviet Union in 1991. That had been celebrated as peaceful — give or take many tens of thousands of deaths over the past two decades in two wars in Chechnya; the continuing conflict involving the Armenian enclave of Nagorno-Karabakh within Azerbaijan; the violent breaking away of Abkhazia and South Ossetia from Georgia; civil wars in the Central Asian republics of Tajikistan and Kirghizia … and others. But the conflict in Ukraine is the big one because, unlike these other conflicts, it has large geopolitical consequences.

The 15 new independent states that rose out of the ruins of the Soviet Union were all created to be democratic, with strong civil societies. But except for the tiny Baltic states of Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, and with the partial exception of Georgia, the others have proven, to a greater or lesser degree, unable to shuffle off the Soviet coils, to produce and sustain a non-corrupt, democratically minded leadership and to see the West, especially the countries of Europe, as allies.

Ukraine, impelled by the revolution against a corrupt regime, tried that. Russia, pushing aside all considerations of economic health and European peace, is determined to stop it. The ruined airport at Donetsk is this week’s symbol of its stony determination, fueled by an overpowering sense of right. There will be more.

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Let’s clarify just this:

“President Vladimir Putin, the leader who would never be given up, told students in St. Petersburg that forces of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization were backing up the Ukrainians, a claim NATO’s secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, dismissed as “nonsense.””

Putin have not said that, it is hard to tell if this is deliberate change in translation or not. What Putin said was that units (so called volunteer batallions” made of extremists fighting in the East are LIKE legion of NATO since they are equipped in NATO weapons and directed by NATO advisers.

Posted by wirk | Report as abusive

the Kremlin is openly fascist in the sense that it advocates for what it calls power vertical which is effectively fascism.. PowerVR to include the elimination of regional and local elections which thereby eliminates competition from elected politicians within the view of the voters.. It also includes the complete ownership and control of all television networks in Russia.. Also any journalist or opposition figures who rise to prominence in the public are threartened with murderous assaults and imprisonment..

Posted by carlloeber | Report as abusive

I don’t think that the status of law in Russia has really been any different than what is described in this article. Soviets have tried and executed Polish officers under their “law” even though these people had nothing to do with the Soviet Union. The law in Russia is in the hands of the wealthy, but even they must be careful not to offend Putin or else they will lose everything legally. The flexibility of the Russian law was nicely exhibited when Berkut – Ukrainian special police members who were responsible for killing the demonstrators, were awarded Russian citizenship – with only requirement was the membership in that police force… Putin is a spy – and a paranoid spy at that – none of the western leaders understand his mentality, because it’s a mentality of suspicion, manipulation, lies, and hiding weaknesses. The ongoing fighting in Ukraine is the direct result of EU’s and US’ inaction. Had there been western forces in Ukraine – Putin would need to deescalate – when he sees weak Ukraine without the support from anywhere – he just does what he wants, while the west takes it’s sweet time to conirm Ukrainian allegations, of Russia’s involvement and actions.

Posted by Warhawk | Report as abusive

Why is it that nearly everything written about Ukraine is like something out of Bizzaro World. Let us not forget that the legitimately elected government of Ukraine was violently overthrown by Western funded and sponsored agents provocateurs, and occupied by, among others, neo-Nazis and fascists. Are not the folks in the Eastern parts of Ukraine are defending their legitimately elected governments? How would the United States react if the Mexican people decided that enough was enough, invited the Chinese in to help run their country, put Chinese airforce bases within 100 km of Texas? etc. etc. etc.

The writer also conveniently omits that violation of assurances that NATO would not expand after the Eastern Bloc demilitarized in the early 90s. That was violated nearly immediately by Clinton. Moreover, W. Bush announced that the United States was going to violate the SALT treaties. Given the capricious and reckless military adventures of the United States starting with Reagan, what country in their right mind would not fight strenuously to protect itself from American encroachment?

This article is pure agitprop, and would be better suited to the increasingly banal Bloomberg than Reuters.

Posted by ottomondo | Report as abusive

Starting to look like WWII, where Hitler and Russia carved up Poland between them?
It’s looked like that from day Russia seized the Crimea, and the West did NOTHING, hoping that unlike unsuccessful attempts to appease Hitler letting him take two countries, this one peninsular might appease Russia.
While Putin uses Hitlers playbook masterfully, simply by following it to a T, he really needs to send thank you cards to his compatriots, all the Western leaders who are following Chamberlains and Quislings appeasement playbook to a T.

Posted by DellStator | Report as abusive

After the discovery of so many mass graves and war crimes committed by the Ukrainian Army there is no hope for peace.

Posted by Macedonian | Report as abusive

The earlier comment is a troll slander. No facts supporting such statement.

Posted by Skorpionas | Report as abusive

Truth be known.

The Bush (Republican/ Skull and Bones) family had much to do with starting WW2, yet they are best buds with Israel since it’s boarders formed in 1947?

The Bush (Republican/ Skull and Bones) family had much to do with starting the Ukraine war……

There is no hope for peace with the Republican/ Skull and Bones and their methodology of war, global murder for profit.

If you follow the Republicans/ Skull and Bones be advise it will be to the detriment of humanity, this means you, me and every living thing.

John, Russia is protecting it’s boarder against these Republican mass murderers and their friends.

God Bless Russia.

Peace be with you All.

Love
Omega

Posted by Lovetwo | Report as abusive

If only the illegal US bankers would show satellite imagery of those 9,000 Russian Soldiers in Ukraine. I have a big question as to why there are Ukrainian soldiers walking around talking perfect English and with American accents. I wonder how that can happen. My hope is that Putin crushes the western bankers into oblivion.

Posted by johnlocke445 | Report as abusive

I was wondering when anyone would notice. Putin is acting very Hitleresque here. Europe better wake the f* up. NATO ought to be feeding weapons to the Ukrainians, who are only trying to push invaders out. Everyone knows there is no appeasing men like Putin. The only way to defeat him is to continue to raise the stakes while bleeding him dry.

Posted by bearvarine | Report as abusive

Well written article.

Posted by SixthRomeo | Report as abusive

Analogy to Poland would be much stronger if there would be mentioned fulfilling by Russia secret (very secret- not trace of it spilled out before Germans invasion of Poland) pact with Hitlers Germany At January 17th Russia in accord with German forces invaded eastern parts of Poland- western Ukraine Polish Belarus and Lithuania- Polish mobilization area. This influenced whole IIWW, as GB and France at such development were discouraged of war with Germany when Poland was seemingly doomed and Germans could move part of it’s might into western front. Poles fought another two weeks, but Russian act meant end of German campaign in 1939, giving them time to gather strength before final push on France and England. This historical event shows how dangerous can be duplicity of Russian politic, and how watchful it’s neighbours should always be.

Posted by bagart | Report as abusive

Absolutely skewed opinion to one side without any consideration! Pure manipulation with facts when John uses all facts only against Russia.
Let’s do some balance:
1) Ukrainian army wages its warfare without any consideration of civilian lives. Just look at the images of crumbles Donetsk, Slavyansk, and Gorlovka, to name a few. Remember, that it is the army that was ceasing Eastern Ukraine, and ‘separatists’ are defending. Why the new democratic Ukraine is destroying cities filled with civilians?
2) Donetsk airport was used by Ukr. Army as the base for controlling and direct shooting Donetsk for several months. This beautiful place was chosen for destruction by Ukr. Army, not rebels. It was not a part of “democratic” Ukraine, it was a narrow inlet into the rebellion territories, from which the Ukr. Army was killing Donetsk civilians. Have you count them, John? Sorry, I forgot, you don’t care.
3) ‘Russia smashed that agreement’. Let’s remind ourselves that it was NATO that smashed the agreement with Gorbachyov, not to move close to Russian borders. And in February, Ukraine and NATO started talks of NATO taking over ever-Russian military bases in Crimea and Ukraine, just several hundred kilometers from Moscow! Let’s imaging that Cuba let’s Russia to own Guantamo base which is not even on the mainland like Crimea. What would be the response of America? WW3, I guess.
4) There is almost no regular Ukrainian Army in the E. Ukraine. These are ideological nationalists, enthusiasts from Georgia, Poland, and other countries, and regular army officers. It is clear even from the Ukrainian news. Almost the same is on the rebel’s side. Except they are mostly from Russia, and no regular Russian army instead of made accusations. So who fights home and for what?
5) Why purely Russian speaking regions cannot have Russian as their official language and have schools in Russian? Why cannot they have some autonomy? Why Ukrainian government kills everybody they come across not even caring about a normal discussion between different groups in the country?
It is not even near Poland in 1939! How can you compare Ukraine with its government hastily creating all trouble instead of civil discussion, and prosperous unified Polish society in 1939? When Poland was a true democracy, with strong order, with strong devoted army, with support from all minorities.
So my question is why, so much hatred to Russia? Why somebody, living in the democratic environment, took so much time to spread so much mud on Russia in a form of personal opinion?

Posted by Matvienko | Report as abusive

Mr. LLoyd, you wrote “What the Media are Doing to our Politics”, and then you write this? I understand you are paid to write, and a great deal of this article is indeed true, but surely you cannot consciously approve of all the omissions made? You’ve presented less than half the story, and the half that you have presented, paints the whole in a light entirely different from reality.

If you’d like to make a comparison to Nazism – try Galiciya & the UPA. That is a closer to the reality if you take the story as a whole (albeit I agree with your points regarding Putin’s present delusion & course).

There is *NOTHING* democratic about what the US et al. have orchestrated in Ukraine & allowed to get out of hand. Nothing. If you had your entire family in lugansk & rostov na donu, as I do, you would be very painfully aware of this reality.

It saddens me that even Reuters’ best have fallen prey to precisely what you describe Putin succumbing to: your own imagined narratives.

When both sides live in a world quite different from reality, and are unwilling to look beyond it, there isn’t much hope for Ukraine. I just hope the number of deaths doesn’t reach 6 digits before this all settles (despite the UN’s “conservative” numbers, believe me, it has reached the 5 digit mark long ago).

Posted by nsanity | Report as abusive

claim Hitleresque everyone who is involved in mass civillian killings no matter for what reason: Poroshenko, Obama (Lybia, Syria), Merkel (Ukrainian civil war)

Posted by Matvienko | Report as abusive

If I was director of “Journalism” at Oxford University and a writer of “What the Media Are Doing to Our Politics”, I would be ashamed to write this piece of garbage. This type of media is the reason why the world is in this mess on the first place. Repeating false statements do not make them true. Only simple minded will believe this nonsense. Even though, I don’t like the guy, I am not going to make false statements if I am a journalist. Putin never said that NATO forces were “backing up the Ukrainians”, he said that Ukrainian government and military do not represent Ukrainian interest and there for is a “foreign legion”. Russia has been speaking out against NATO move east for 15 years. Yes Russia has promised territorial integrity of Ukraine, while NATO has made promises of their own. EU/NATO/US has broken their promises many times and now are on the Russian doorstep. When Putin payed of the debt to US and stopped selling Russian oil for half the cost of the middle eastern oil, he was named person of the year by TIMES. The same time he became an enemy of US, since there were no easy pickings anymore and for “American Empire” Russia became a threat. If you no nothing about “American Empire”, educate yourself, since that has been the main drive for American foreign policy for over 70 years…

Posted by UsDoingItAgain | Report as abusive

Putin is using Hitlers play book.
The West is using Chamberlain and Quislings appeasement never works playbook.
The West should send in mostly non military aid to build a wall between pro Russians in E Ukraine and rest of Ukraine, and along Russian border, partition the country like E and W Germany were, and let the Ukraine out do E Ukraine until like E Germany, they force their leaders to rejoin.

Posted by DellStator | Report as abusive

This “Islamization of justice,” writes Fishman, means that “even a public demonstration of legality” is dispensed with in a state that privileges “the archaic and fundamentalist idea that any alternative to the uniquely true point of view is intentionally amoral.”

Sounds a lot like the United States and it’s own version of God’s chosen people above laws it imposes on others….

Posted by RoyTyrell | Report as abusive

If I was director of “Journalism” at Oxford University and a writer of “What the Media Are Doing to Our Politics”, I would be ashamed to write this piece of garbage. This type of media is the reason why the world is in this mess on the first place. Repeating false statements do not make them true. Only simple minded will believe this nonsense. Even though, I don’t like the guy, I am not going to make false statements if I am a journalist. Putin never said that NATO forces were “backing up the Ukrainians”, he said that Ukrainian government and military do not represent Ukrainian interest and there for is a “foreign legion”. Russia has been speaking out against NATO move east for 15 years. Yes Russia has promised territorial integrity of Ukraine, while NATO has made promises of their own. EU/NATO/US has broken their promises many times and now are on the Russian doorstep. When Putin payed of the debt to US and stopped selling Russian oil for half the cost of the middle eastern oil, he was named person of the year by TIMES. The same time he became an enemy of US, since there were no easy pickings anymore and for “American Empire” Russia became a threat. If you no nothing about “American Empire”, educate yourself, since that has been the main drive for American foreign policy for over 70 years…

Posted by UsDoingItAgain | Report as abusive

As a westerner I am ashamed of how our leaders have handled this.

Deal after deal has been broken, and at every turn our leaders do as little as possible to avoid any real consequence for the west. But where will it end? What if inaction now leads to more grief in the end? Putin will not stop, that is for sure.

Posted by AndreasJ | Report as abusive

The only difference between Poland and Ukraine is that Poland did defend itself with all cavaleries they had. In the first two weeks they were defending themselves succesfully. Later when the Soviet Union and Bulgaria joined The Third Reich and Slovakia the missery began.
What we should do now, is not wait. Like England did. We have to draw a line in the sand, not with sanctions. No. With militairy pressure.

Posted by BARTWELT | Report as abusive

Nazism grows in Russia.

Posted by cottonless | Report as abusive

Putin’s exact words were there is a NATO foreign legion in the Ukraine basically executing the war. The article is fine in its re-wording of this statement exactly by Putin. Here is the transcript:

PUTIN: “We often speak of the ‘Ukrainian army’, but who is doing the fighting there in reality? Yes, in part it is official armed forces units, but a substantial part of those doing the fighting come from the so-called volunteer nationalist battalions. Essentially, this is not an army but is a foreign legion, in this particular case, a NATO foreign legion, which is not pursuing Ukraine’s national interests of course. They have completely different goals, related to achieving their geopolitical aim of containing Russia, and this is absolutely not in the Ukrainian people’s national interests.”

What is sad is that at a time when Russia seemed to be emerging as a genuine partner, i (Putin’s regime) decided to fall back onto old Soviet style globalistic retardedness, with the attendant disregard for law that the article points to. Seriously, I think Putin has shot Russia in the foot very badly and for a hollow gain of internal nationalism. Very sad really,for Russia and the Ukraine. Such a lost opportunity for Russia more than anyone. Now Russians will turtle again.

Posted by kykloupes | Report as abusive

The article is biased towards US & NATO. It would be nice if it were unbiased and presented the entire picture.
Crimea used to belong to Russia. In 1954 under the Soviet Union Crimea was handed over to Ukraine. When the Soviet Union collapsed, there was so much to worry about that Crimea was ignored and went to Ukraine. It has always been a Russian dominated area. Russia decided to take it back and they did so peacefully.
Unlike Poland, Russia and Ukraine in modern time are two sisters. The two countries people are intertwined. Large numbers of Ukrainians have taken Russian citizenship and live there, may naturalized in decades with relatives in Ukraine. Ukraine’s history will tell that it has always been ruled by someone else- Lithuania, Poland, Austria and Russia. When they became independent unlike Russia they were never able to rule themselves. They became an unstable state without any particular interference by the Russians.
Russia tried hard to be friends with US&West but this friendship was not accepted and their interests ignored. NATO deliberately expanded to Russia’s borders. Where was the reason for this expansion when Russia wanted to be friends? Actually they needed to be friends, they were happy to have that freedom, to be included on the world stage, to actually live life like everyone else. But US& West never truly accepted Russia or paid any attention to their interests.
US citizens, Canadians, EU citizens have been brainwashed into believing that Russians are evil. The truth is different. They are just like everyone else with the same dreams, the same aspirations and a wish to live & die peacefully. People are people and almost the same everywhere except for some differences in culture.
It is the chicanery of US & NATO countries by which they have deliberately laid a trap for Russia in Ukraine. A part of the Ukrainians wanted to join EU so that their economy could develop. These Ukrainians were developed by US&EU who are insecure for strange reasons to push for merger with EU which would probably have not been accepted anyway as the EU is in bad shape financially. US has sent Military contractors as early as July 2014 and NATO is supporting sections of Ukrainians by supplying weapons that they refuse to acknowledge. So US&EU have been playing a silent yet devious role in nudging the Ukrainians towards war. In any kind of scenario Russia loses and they do not care for the Ukrainians—whether they live or die.
US & West are hypocrites who have no respect for Human Values. Examples: Support for Saudi Arabia, No attention to Yazidi Genocide, no care for death of human beings in Iraq and Afghanistan. Constant military action and incursions into Gulf and Africa. Support of Pakistan. Enormous Business with China (even after Tinnamen Square massacre).US becoming Police State, innocent persons killed by Police while Police let off. (Garner case)And so on.
The sanctions are inhuman. The Russian government will not change. The Russian rich changed their money into Dollars and Euros long before the sanctions actually came in effect, so only the poor and needy will suffer and die. Some will probably freeze to death with little food or clothes to survive the harsh Russian winters.

Posted by SwamiMP | Report as abusive

Mr Igor Shuvalov, the first deputy prime minister said :“read our history: the Russians will never give up their leader…” are you sure ?
Let me to prove it that Mr Igor Shuvalov is not very good at his own history.
_How about Russia Empire’s Nicholas II and his own family were executed in the same room by the Bolsheviks on the night of 16/17 July 1918 .This was not only give up but killed them all.
_How about many great leaders under Soviet were purged and killed them all by dictator Stalin in 30 years in power , too many victims supposed his political competing opponent that no one could not count enough .
_How about the coup of Gorbachev and the event of Russia tanks shot direct into their State Duma.
_ After that was Russia president Boris Yeltsin , then Mr “tricky man” Putin from the post of President turned into Prime Minister , then he did with ” magic sticks ” turning to Russia president again .
Mr Igor Shuvalov said to us that Russia never give up their leader , actually it is not persuaded us to believe his words because the world and Russia people did not see many Russia leaders in the longtime in order to give up by their own people , by too a few of leaders for giving up under ruthless , oppressive and bloody rule by a few dictators . Too sorry for Russia people have a little choose.

Posted by freeguy | Report as abusive

Just another senseless turmoil inflicted by US/EU trade interests with the help of USAID funded by US tax-payers. This is another un-winnable war just like in Syria where, the proxy-war supporters are – US and Russia that guarantees mutual destruction of local resources and people with no winners at the end.

Posted by Mott | Report as abusive

Here are few things to put Mr. Lloyd’s propaganda piece into perspective.

1. I like the “Islamisation of justice” concept. Incidentally, it originates not in Russia, nor even in Iran, – but much closer to home, with the concepts of “politically correct” and “politically incorrect” speech, and with ban and informal prosecution of the latter. Perhaps, Mr. Lloyd remembers how “Islamic justice” rolled over his really distinguished colleague, Mr. Peter G. Arnett, the Pulitzer Prize winning journalist? Who simply happened to oppose the Iraq war? Was he let express his views and opinions for long?

2. Mr. Lloyd writes that western governments side “… appeals to agreements and law,” as opposed to Russian government’s appeal to “an intervention justified by the moral imperative”. Does he really forgot who has invented the whole concept of an intervention justified by the moral imperative? And how many such interventions have been undertaken by western governments in the past two decades, ignoring the UN and the international law? It is really stunning to see how Mr. Lloyd appeals to the International law when it suits him, and forgets about that law when it does not. Frankly, I am at loss at how to even call such a behavior of a supposedly respected journalist.

3. Finally, where Mr. Lloyd gets it right is in the assessment that this all tragedy is just another episode in the long story of destruction and disintegration of the USSR. And of the fight to complete this destruction by all means possible. Despite the obvious fact that this is not about communism, capitalism, democracy, or whatever anymore. Since 1991, Russia, who “inherited” the USSR’s past glory, had switched to be one of the most open capitalist economies. But it also managed to strengthen its position and opt to conduct independent policies – Snowden, Libya, Syria, Iran, … Unfortunately, likes of Mr. Lloyd do not tolerate the “second opinion”. Hence, support of anti-Russian sentiments anywhere, and in Ukraine – in particular. Hence, this full-blown “Islamic justice” type anti-Russian propaganda campaign.

Posted by BraveNewWrld | Report as abusive

Great article. Putin knows he can call NATO’s bluff and create a land bridge to the Crimea without anyone stopping him. Now they have Donetsk airport, it’s only a matter of time before the rebels get a puppet air force which will be used as cover for Russian airstrikes, yet NATO will still not do anything. Even with the Russian economy collapsing, Putin has no option but to push on as he needs to be seen as strong in an economy he has helped stomp into the ground. This is a hard truth the West refuses to act upon, thinking that more sanctions will help – they will only further his need to carry on in Ukraine.

On a side note, why is Macedonian still allowed to post his pro-Putin troll messages? That is a failing of the moderation team.

Posted by marty_CA | Report as abusive

Please write an article which will explain the difference between Donetsk and Kosovo.

Posted by Macedonian | Report as abusive

Mr Loyd wasn’t aware that most of the readers of this article are well informed.;(

Posted by Macedonian | Report as abusive

” .. Ukraine, impelled by the revolution against a corrupt regime ..”

Yes, they have much to learn from US.

Just legalize the corruption – it’s well done here and we call it – Lobbying.

The straight face we put up to the world and jump to judging on corruption and disrupt otherwise functional governments, may think once in a while to acknowledge that we are at the bottom of the moral-pile with the legal form of corruption called – lobbying.

Posted by Mott | Report as abusive

“there are no pogroms”

Tell that to Russia’s LBGT community.

“read our history: the Russians will never give up their leader. We will tighten our belt, eat less food, suffer any privations, but if outsiders want to force changes on us, we will be united as never before.”

Well have fun being the next North Korea.

Posted by Alecto | Report as abusive

I am glad that Reuters is finally allowing comments comparing Putin/Russian actions with those of Adolph Hitler. The analogy is obvious and indisputable. The lack of objective and credible military assistance and military response makes the likelihood that Russia will re-annex all of the Ukraine certain until those with backbones again rise erect and unbowed.

The Putin trolls commenting here are obvious, the everpresent Omega above all. Of 29 commentors, those that “get it” are: carlloeber, Warhawk, DellStator, bearvarine, bagart, AndreasJ, BARTWELT, kykloupes, and freeguy.

Posted by OneOfTheSheep | Report as abusive

Who will control the Chernobyl dead zone in Ukraine? Uhhhh…. Who cares. 5 years ago, we all thought Chernobyl was in Russia anyway, to tell you the truth. Ukraine is insignificant.

This whole conflict is cold-war hyped as some kind of domino. This is largely driven by defense contractors itching to make sales in leaner times. But it it not a domino, never was. Think of it more as pruning the fruit tree of Europe, and giving Russia the dead limbs.

Posted by AlkalineState | Report as abusive

Dear Macedonian

Empathy for John. :o(

Peace be with you All.

Love
Omega

Posted by Lovetwo | Report as abusive

The author forgot to mention that people of Crimea and Eastern Ukraine protested against capture of power by nationalists because they know very well who they were and what they did in the past. Ukrainian nationalists whose number as estimated as only about 20 000 supported by about 60 000 killed about a million people of different nationalities. Russia had no any other choice as to cover all who did not want to stand under fascist flags and bow to Bandera monuments. Russia saved Crimea from that horror which Ukraine commits now in Donbass. Yesterday 16 people were killed including children. Have you seen 40 world leaders marching in Kyiev or Lugansk against Ukrainian terrorism?

Posted by bogdan99 | Report as abusive

So, when Putin will take all Ukraine and made it a russian province and you yell it’s theft, he can simply reply : nonsense. Good to know.

President Vladimir Putin, the leader who would never be given up, told students in St. Petersburg that forces of the North Atlantic Treaty Organization were backing up the Ukrainians, a claim NATO’s secretary general, Jens Stoltenberg, dismissed as “nonsense.”

So a civil war in Ukraine fomented by USA, payd by USA, armed by USA means NATO is not backing up the Ukraineans and we are stupid goyim LOOOLLL

Posted by Contragica | Report as abusive

An article full of nonsense and avoiding any attempt at truth. The comment of “Ukraine, impelled by the revolution against a corrupt regime” is so ridiculous. The very concept of democracy as spouted by the West is that all change should come via the ballot box. In the 2010 election in Ukraine the election was declared sound legal and open by the OSCE. This caused a problem for the US and its plans to move NATO up to Russia’s borders through Ukraine. The reason that the % vote in favour of the Russian leaning government was 49% Was due to eastern Ukraine voters. The US backed coup ignored these people and has continued to do so despite the slaughter inflicted by Kiev. All the west had to do was win between 5% and 10% of the votes in the east to win power. But that would have taken up to 10 years. The US cannot wait that long as Russia needs to be marginalised so that the US can concentrate on China. Of course now we on the inevitable path to war as Russia has no choice but to react the way it has (regardless of who is in power)in terms of democracy just bare in mind that the current UK government has only 32% of the popular vote. Are we allowed to rebel and force a change NO we will do that via the ballot box in May 2015.

Posted by Moties001 | Report as abusive

there seems to be ploy with all these distractions we hear no further comment on MH17. Obviously Ukraine doing its best to distract world attention away from what may come out of the investigation.

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Author made me fun. I read west propaganda sources very carefully and did not find any critical view on Ukrainian authorities. They (Ukrainian authorities) are always “white and good”. They destroy own country and kill own people, but nothing bad was said about their activities. And author thinks I will trust USA and EU, doesn’t He?

I was burn in Russia, my mother is Ukrainian, father is Belarusian. We won WW2 and we can withstand hostile countries like USA and their puppets.

Posted by Aleks2015 | Report as abusive

Why does the author not accede to the definition of conflict provided by the International Red Cross? The ICRC ,the instigator of Geneva Conventions, has classified the conflict in Ukraine as civil war as early as June 2014.
“Fighting in eastern Ukraine continues to take its toll on civilians, and we urge all sides to comply with international humanitarian law, otherwise known as the law of armed conflict,” ICRC director of operations Dominik Stillhart said in a statement.

“These rules and principles apply to all parties to the non-international armed conflict in Ukraine, and impose restrictions on the means and methods of warfare that they may use,” he added.

The Red Cross uses the term “non-international armed conflict” for civil war.

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It is going to cost US more than just $5 billion dollars to get Ukraine into its ambit.

“Since Ukraine’s independence in 1991, the United States has supported Ukrainians as they build democratic skills and institutions, as they promote civic participation and good governance, all of which are preconditions for Ukraine to achieve its European aspirations. We’ve invested over $5 billion to assist Ukraine in these and other goals that will ensure a secure and prosperous and democratic Ukraine.”

– Victoria Jane Nuland, Assistant Secretary of State for European and Eurasian Affairs, US Department of State

Posted by FuManChuJr | Report as abusive

I have read so many different articles and people’s opinions and have read so many different point of views. The truth is there is hatred in Ukraine for Russian people. Even though these people are legal citizens of Ukraine, born and raised in Ukraine, they are still viewed as Russians. The Ukrainian parliament has neo nazis who declared war on Jews, Communists, and Russians and gave the military the license to kill civilians. The military is ordered to attack civilian targets with mortars and are threatened with prison time if they don’t obey orders. These men come from eastern parts of Ukraine as well. They are killing their own people! Kiev is trying to “mop up” those regions. They shoot at ambulances and buses with refugees on board. The ambulance and rescue vehicles are afraid to go in there because the Ukrainian military is shooting at them. When you actually know someone from those parts and write and talk with that person everyday then maybe you will learn what is really going on there.

Looking at the bigger picture, why do you think America is trying to destroy the Russian economy? Because of the situation in Ukraine? Or maybe because of oil and the fact that Russia was about to become a threat to the global market o foil trade and they were a threat to the dollar. In recent years the price of gas would go up when a small storm hit hit the Gulf of Mexico, let alone a few wars going on somewhere in the world. Instead the price goes down? We are all being lied to when it comes to this business of oil and the prices per barrel and why they go up or down. So the price is so low now then why aren’t air fares lowered? Grocery prices? It’s corporate greed and the only reason the prices are down is to destroy the Russian economy and the ruble. When the ruble is worthless then countries won’t want to do business/trade with Russia. Let’s not forget that President Yanukovich made his deal with Russia and then was illegally removed from power. Typical tactic the USA pulls when the leader doesn’t comply with them or doesn’t work in their favor. Yeah, the people of Ukraine were already divided so it wasn’t going to take much effort to provoke the uprising. Still, Putin had his deal in place and would have been able to use the east parts of Ukraine to carry out his business of oil and gas and he got robbed. Why shouldn’t he want his country to prosper? He’s no Hitler, he’s not trying to take over Europe. NATO is the one who has been encroaching on the Russian borders and even though there may not have in writing as to the agreement that was made when NATO was established after WW2, NATO has been pushing the envelope. I know if it was me and my country was getting bullied and sanctioned I would start throwing at some point. This is the kind of thing that starts a major war.

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What was Poland on the eve of WWII? It’s government was fascist in all but name. It had been pro-Nazi during the Czech crisis one year earlier, denying the USSR the right to military transit to support its Czech allies against a Nazi invasion (thus facilitating the Anglo-French capitulation at Munich) and seizing Teschen from Czechoslovakia as its reward from Hitler. Vicious antisemitism abounded (see, for instance the pre-1939 writings of future-pope Woytyla) and the NMazis, when they occupied , had no trouble recruiting Polish (and Ukrainian) guards for their extermination camps. So yes, there are real comparabilities to pre-WWII Poland in the Bandera-honoring Ukrainian regime installed in the coup last February!

Posted by fosforos | Report as abusive

Putin is the closest thing to Hitler. His propaganda is fueled by his own lies and ideology.

Posted by Doobai | Report as abusive

To all the Russian apologists trying to legitimize Putin’s war on Ukraine — It’s not going to work. The West clearly understands that Putin decided to punish Ukraine after Russian-leaning Viktor Yanukovich was pushed from power for violently suppressing protests against him for turning away from Europe.
First Putin seized Crimea. Crimea was a peaceful place, uncontroversial, harboring no unrest at all. Putin invented a reason to take it back and did so, using his now infamous “little green men”. Now, in Eastern Ukraine, we have Putin’s Sudetenland. A formerly peaceful place where Putin found Russian Nationalists to take up arms against the Ukrainian government. The whole thing stinks of Fascism and the sooner the West provides weapons to the Ukrainians to drive the Little Green Men from Russia back, the better off Europe will be. Russia is a Fascist State run by a mobster. That is what Putin has planned for the rest of Eastern Europe. He said as much in 2014, when he declared that the breakup of the Soviet Union was an illegal act, and should be “overturned”.

Posted by bearvarine | Report as abusive

To all the Russian apologists trying to legitimize Putin’s war on Ukraine — It’s not going to work. We in the West clearly understand that Putin decided to punish Ukraine after Russian-leaning Viktor Yanukovich was pushed from power for violently suppressing protests against him for turning away from Europe.
First Putin seized Crimea. Crimea was a peaceful place, uncontroversial, harboring no unrest at all. Putin invented a reason to take it back and did so, using his now infamous Little Green Men. Now, in Eastern Ukraine, we see Putin’s Sudetenland plan in action. A formerly peaceful place where Putin found Russian Nationalists to take up arms against the Ukrainian government. The whole thing stinks of Fascism and the sooner the West provides weapons to the Ukrainians to drive the Little Green Men from Russia back, the better off Europe will be. Russia is a Fascist State run by a mobster. That is what Putin has planned for the rest of Eastern Europe. He said as much in 2014, when he declared that the breakup of the Soviet Union was an illegal act, and should be overturned.

Posted by bearvarine | Report as abusive

Why would anyone care who controls Chernobyl? Ukraine was part of the USSR for 70 years anyway. Now it’s suddenly critical to the West? Suppose Russia takes it back. Does it hurt us any more than them running Chechnya or South Ossetia too? This is all Russian stuff, Russian problems.

Russia did not send agents to America when we wrestled Texas and California from Spain. Was Russia worried that Texas was “domino?” If so, show me in the history books.

Posted by AlkalineState | Report as abusive

Putin’s Russia is like fascist Nazi Germany. Consider the murder of journalists, the muzzling of the press and the ultra-nationalist stance of many of Putin’s supporters. Consider the attacks on neighboring countries, including Ukraine, e.g., Georgia, the Caucasus nations, incursions into Latvia, etc. Putin is a fascist, plain and simple.

Posted by Petersl41 | Report as abusive

Ukraine is owned by US State department and CIA.This article is biased and dumb.Kiev regime have been killing Russian civilians in Donetsk the whole time,on other hand Ukrainains in Russia are living fine.

Ukraine now is just like Iraq,another colony of Yankee Imperialism.

Posted by Pudzianowski | Report as abusive

“He told attendees that more than 9,000 Russian soldiers and several hundred tanks are on active duty in Ukraine”

We keep hearing this, but it is impossible to hide several hundred tanks from the satellites the US has over the area which can aread license plates. If it were happening, those photos would be all over the news, and they’re not. The truth is that the Ukrainian army is a mess, can’t and won’t fight. The only ones who will fight for Kiev are the fascist battalions, kind of like the SS to the Wehrmacht.

Posted by jrintala | Report as abusive

If the time during previous president was corrupt and influenced by Russia,how come Ukraine people enjoyed progress,good standard of life and lived happily for years side by side Russia whop never showed any sign of conflict then.
Bottom line is that EU/US wanted Ukraine to be their part strategically and the initiated and encouraged revolution.At that time Poroshenko was the most ambitious to lead Ukraine and he became the tool of EU/US.This is the fact of matter which can not be reversed because Putin proved smarter than the whole team of so called giant politicians of EU/US.Now the solution is in hands of EU/US who have made blunder after blunders.
Putin was constantly com promising.He said and agreed that Russia is not interested any more parts of Eastern Ukraine.Also he offered by himself a Ceasefire plan which Poroshenko broke first time in name of securing border and second time sending elite army force.Western media all the time found fault with Putin as if Ukraine has done everything right.I am writing this and watching the conflict as a neutral observer of a big game.Above description is smart but not factual.

Posted by gentalman | Report as abusive

Among all failed politicians of EU/US,at least Obama proved humane atleast to take course of sanctions instead of big war,otherwise not 5000 but hundreds of 5000 would have been killed and even now he is trying to send emissary(Foreign secretary)to Russia.

Posted by gentalman | Report as abusive

No one wants world war in current time of recession.not even Russia.Russia has learnt the lesson from world war and wisely started allowing western investment and business.In fact he had no feeling enemity towards EU/US.
Above article comparing Poland and give sounds of world war has no place.

Posted by gentalman | Report as abusive

In my opinion the Poland before II WW is totally wrong example. That was the country with united society, dvoted army and as strong as possible formal treaties with that days biiggest military powers as France and Greate Britain, and first of all with the long tradition of the suverenity defence. Much more appriopriate example is the situation with Chechoslovakia in 1938, and even there the societi was more united and government much more democratic than todays Ukraina with corruption, oligarch system (by the way much more anarchised than similar in Russia)

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Apparently the US has decided to corner Russia with a proxy war in the Ukraine. The signs are up at the wall for everybody to recognise who can recognise. The peace process of the Minsk treaty has been blown up by Kiev which has stayed away from the table last time and cancelled the forthcoming event. Instead Kiev announced to enlist further 100.000 young men to the army. We are now witnessing preemption tactics of the separatists who have encircled up to 10.000 ukrainian soldiers close to the small city of Debalzewo. The forces which speak for peace and the avoidance of war have been silenced in the US and in Europe. Russia is defending itself against what it calls a foreign aggression. Aggression has played a role in the Kiev putsch against Yarushenko, the former (and last) elected president, because the putsch was financially and organisationally supported by Washington and possibly by Brüssels.

Posted by cwsuisse | Report as abusive

pointless war, too much pride about nothing.

Posted by AlkalineState | Report as abusive

Not surprisingly, this opinion piece is nothing more than a paid propaganda rubish. There are not any analogies with Poland before the WWII, and Ukraine today. The author puts all the blame to Russia, specifically to Putin. What about the violent overthrowing of the democratically elected government of Yanukovich by Ukrainian nationalists, gahtered in Kiev from all around western Ukraine, camping in the capital for months and violently forcing the president to flee? All with the moral and financial support by Washington and EU. There were millions of Russians and pro-russian Ukrainians, who objected this coup, and refused to acknowledge the authority of the non-elected nationalist junta, whose first task was to abolish the status of Russian language as regional co-official. When Yanukovich tried to clear the government buildings from occupiers, his forces were met with violent resistance (by the so called “fighters for democracy”), and labelled oppressive and antidemocratic. But then, after the the new government in Kiev determinedly has sent force to gain control of the ocuppied buildings, it was portrayed as an anti-terrorist operation. Kiev is actively encouraged by their Western backers to confront the pro-Russians, and suppress the dissent in pro-Russian regions, tightly censures the press and free speech, firmly rejects any form of reconciliation with its pro-Russian citizens, while taking all the orders from Washington, London and Berlin. It’s impossible to assume that Kiev government abides by the law and rules, while wages a war in Eastern Ukraine. The western nations are not interested whether there is democracy or prosperity in Ukraine, or not. They just want a co-operative Ukraine, who will antagonize Russia, and make Russia economically, politically, and militarily much weaker. They want to tight the belt around Russia, by encircling it with hostile nations from Baltics down to the Caucasus. Ukraine is the biggest and most important part of that plan.

Posted by Levko | Report as abusive

cwsuisse complains: “Apparently the US has decided to corner Russia with a proxy war in the Ukraine. ”

So…. Putin is taking the bait? That was easy.

Posted by AlkalineState | Report as abusive

the russians and the ukranians are like the hatfields and the mccoys: they love a good fight. Other outside leaders can easily manipulate their proxy war.

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http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/10/1 0/us-ukraine-killings-probe-special-repo rt-idUSKCN0HZ0UH20141010

Did you forget about this article?

Posted by WarriorSloth89 | Report as abusive

I agree that Ukraine’s case recalls on Poland prior WWII. However, it does recalls also on Czechoslovakia when German Chancellor claimed the return of both West Prussia from newly formed Poland (since 1918,Treaty of Versailles) and Bohemian German speaking territories of Czech Republic (today). I would very much disagree about Baltic states “democracy” when Russian minority and their culture is in question – Europe is playing a blind eye game, as Baltic peoples exercise brutal pressure on their citizens of Russian origin. That is not democracy, that is also dictatorship. Finally, Ukraine’s national borders could not remain as in Soviet Union as those were artificially created by some individuals in power, mainly Stalin and Khrushchev both politically motivated non-Russians (Stalin was Georgian and Khrushchev was Ukrainian). Therefore, I believe the West and Ukraine itself in this instance should appreciate rights of Eastern parts of present day Ukraine as well as Crimea as NEW REALITY and continuation of dissolution of Soviet Empire. If one Kosovo, a core Serbian territory could have been forcefully cut of its mother territory “inner” Serbia by NATO force and the West has overwhelmingly greet that bombardment and than recognised the forcefully separation of Serbian core historically territory “Kosovo” by Albanians who lived in Serbia, than I see no further point in West acclimatising to that what the West itself created – the precedent of modern times – the right for people for SELF DETERMINATION. Hurray to Kosovo, but again say Hurray to Crimea, Hurray to Bask and Catalonia or maybe Provincia di Veneto, as well as South Ossetia and Donbas.

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