Comments on: What brought Vladimir Putin to the table over Ukraine, and how to keep him there http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-223771 Thu, 19 Feb 2015 00:58:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-223771 The 25% is a fact. The source was NATO. NATO is supposed to be 28 countries sharing the burden. Germany is a wealthy country, yet doesn’t do this, but Greece does? Don’t you find this odd, or wrong…. As far a complaints “When yu’ can’t have what you choose, yu’ just choose what you have.” Owen Wister So the leaders that you have are what is left, most come from the bottom of the barrel.

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By: AlkalineState http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-222855 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 23:01:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-222855 AmericanGrizzly complains: “So as countries join and costs increase, the US still pays 25%. So this will cost more $$$…”

Talk to Lockheed Martin and their politicians. They’re the ones pitching this stuff in Europe and across the world. Foreign meddling = big dollars for defense contractors. “Hey Yemen…. looks like you could use a hundred new F-16’s. The American taxpayers will help you pay for them. Defense budgets are patriotic. What’s the worst that could happen…” Okay, take these. We’ll check back and see if you need more next year.

You get what you vote for.

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By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-212027 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:30:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-212027 Only four NATO nations meet funding threshold: the U.S., Britain, Greece and Estonia. So the other 24 Nations fail in this. The United States currently provides about 25 percent of these common-funded budgets, and will continue to do so after the addition of the new members. source NATO
So as countries join and costs increase, the US still pays 25%. So this will cost more $$$.

*At present, NATO has 28 members. In 1949, there were 12 founding members of the Alliance: Belgium, Canada, Denmark, France, Iceland, Italy, Luxembourg, the Netherlands, Norway, Portugal, the United Kingdom and the United States. The other member countries are: Greece and Turkey (1952), Germany (1955), Spain (1982), the Czech Republic, Hungary and Poland (1999), Bulgaria, Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Romania, Slovakia, Slovenia (2004), and Albania and Croatia (2009).

So how much longer can a bankrupt nation, that cannot secure its own border let the moochers of Europe drain our resources? Both with NATO and the UN. The rest of the free lunch free loaders of NATO bleed the US. You Europeans are the real welfare rats of the US. I don’t believe my countrymen should bleed for your living well at the expense of my nation.

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By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-211996 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:27:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-211996 First the US superpower with its NATO/EU coalition have failed in two wars that have been going on for longer than a decade. Iraq and Afghanistan. The cost of these two forays have cost the United States. 4,487 American lives, 32,223 wounded for Iraqi Operation Freedom, Operation New Dawn another 66 deaths, and 301 wounded. 2343 deaths in Afghanistan, and wounded 17,674. The financial cost is at about $5 Trillion, plus interest borrowed on the War debt is still to be calculated, and Afghanistan isn’t over in lives and cost. With a debt in the US approaching $18 Trillion. Also the United States has $118 Trilliion in unfunded liabilities. I think you people better learn to deal peacefully with your neighbors, don’t be conned by the EU. Using the US as its muscle.
The United States currently provides about 25 percent of these common-funded budgets, and will continue to do so after the addition of the new members. source NATO

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By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-211860 Wed, 18 Feb 2015 03:10:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-211860 Germany is already helping to boost NATO’s presence in eastern Europe.
Is the White book an updated version of Mein Kampf? A new militaristic Germany? Will they also train the Right Sector, continue to demonize Russians as subhuman? Russian lives don’t matter?

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By: vxx http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-167293 Sat, 14 Feb 2015 04:58:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-167293 It is the colossal blunders by the West that brought this civil war about. I do not blame the Eastern section from wanting a divorce. Perhaps the divorce is necessary to get the foolish conflict ended.
An free separate East aligned with Russia has advantages for the West. Getting rid of the sanction and rebuilding. There is a lot of work for the unemployed. While rebuilding the trade problems can be addressed. A healthy economy for all is the goal.

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By: Lovetwo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-166388 Sat, 14 Feb 2015 02:53:58 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-166388 Dear OneOfTheSheep

Are you emphatically confessing?

I forgive you.

Peace be with you All.

Love
Omega

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By: pyradius http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-165255 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:56:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-165255 It’s simple, Putin is a thug and is not moved by anything other than the threat of force. Hence, he stepped in when the threat of force was used against Syria, and he stepped in again when the threat of providing arms for Ukrainians.

The difference here is Putin clearly has much longer-term plans for Ukraine and he is simply playing the West for fools as they drag their feet. Hopefully this arming will continue as planned. If that concerns Putin, he has simply to de-escalated the situation that he has escalated.

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By: Mott http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-164922 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:14:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-164922 “.. more that five thousands dead in this war, and this is just official data. Most likely the real number is much higher. Putin is a war criminal..”

Why?

By that admission – so are Mr.Obama and Ms.Merkel were more criminals to have started this, stood-by and openly supplying arms to counter this.

There will be no winners in this – only losers on both sides – just look at Syria – with US and Russia backing each side, is is open-wound that keeps getting worse.

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By: Mott http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/02/12/what-brought-vladimir-putin-to-the-table-over-ukraine-and-how-to-keep-him-there/#comment-164855 Fri, 13 Feb 2015 23:07:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=37950#comment-164855 Forget about getting Putin to the table – with US sending tank-busters, you can see his next steps come close our neighbors – http://www.cnn.com/2015/02/12/world/a-10 -jets-to-europe/index.html

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