Comments on: The Pentagon is buying the wrong ship, and it’s costing taxpayers billions http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: BruceMcF http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1102402 Sat, 05 Sep 2015 03:36:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1102402 Urgelt: That’s true, but there’s also an argument that the littoral screening and patrol force should be a mix of corvettes and patrol boats, and the MK VI can be brought to station on any of the well deck ships that can haul an LCAC. At $450m-$600m fully equipped for an LCS-1, you could have two $200m corvettes and 3-8 Mk VI patrol boats.

nose2066: none of those … “spy satellites, spy planes, underwater listening devices that can be stationed in one spot, spy drones, long range radar systems” … can provide forward targeting and attack of the kind of swarm of small missile boats that the large ships of a carrier task force are vulnerable to if they operate too close to shore. “Patrol” is not just “being there to find out”, its also “being there to take action if need be”.

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By: ckd1358 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1040995 Wed, 13 May 2015 06:47:35 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1040995 Saving $3 Billion may seem like a good deal to you and to the average American citizen,
BUT, what about the poor military provider, and the politicians that have to deliver the pork? What about them?

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By: MarcMc http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1040763 Mon, 11 May 2015 23:55:15 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1040763 The Sherman tank was a death trap but swarms of them with cheap life tankers available made them a successful viable option. That cheap life option no longer exists. Since military lives are no longer cheap expensive technology combat multipliers will continue.

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By: Boguseconomist http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1037594 Wed, 06 May 2015 20:06:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1037594 As in most things, the rule is “Follow the money.” What companies stand to benefit? How much did they contribute to the election campaign? Do their CEOs belong to any political organization designed to benefit a particular party?
Has the company ever been indicted for financial finagling? Do any politicians have close connections to any of their officers?
Our history is tragically littered with the bodies of those who died in order to enrich corporate coffers. Our politicians have excelled at sending people off to die while never having put themselves at risk. As long as money can be made – BY ANYONE – from American blood, we will never be able to be proud of who we are.

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By: Urgelt http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1037223 Wed, 06 May 2015 10:51:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1037223 It won’t be quite the savings the author projects. The 70 million price tag for the Sentinel-class cutter doesn’t include any missile armaments at all. It’s going to eat up some money making them equivalent to the Cyclones.

Which is not an argument in favor of the LCS, which is indeed a ship that tries to do too many things and ends up being too big for the littoral mission, draws too much water, and does nothing well at all.

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By: Jingan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1035639 Sun, 03 May 2015 15:34:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1035639 Once congress tried to outlaw profit on defense industry…unsuccessfully.

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By: blah77 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1035337 Sat, 02 May 2015 17:11:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1035337 It has been known for years that the LCS program is an underwhelming money sink plagued with technical problem, defects and cost overruns. Just like the JSF program actually. Yet the Pentagon can’t stop pouring money into these projects because Congress will take their cash away without expensive toys to justify that bloated budget. Sure they could just shift the money towards more paying the soldiers more and low-tech solutions to match today’s assymetrical environment but those options certainly do not make for sexy headlines. Essentially everyone is just fighting for their piece of the budget pie, cost, accountability and efficiency be damned.

On the flip side of the coin, the defense private sector is all too happy to oblige since this recklessness has allowed them to rake in steady profits. Capitalism baby! Wonderful vicious cycle that has started the US down the path of economic ruin. US is the new Roman Empire.

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By: AlkalineState http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1034870 Fri, 01 May 2015 20:49:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1034870 Government small enough to police the world forever. The next Iraq awaits. GOP in action.

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By: nose2066 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1031199 Fri, 01 May 2015 02:13:12 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1031199 Doesn’t the whole idea of “patrol” boats seem a bit old fashioned in this era of spy satellites, spy planes, underwater listening devices that can be stationed in one spot, spy drones, long range radar systems, etc?

So the point is what? Not only to spy on a potential enemy, but also to let them see that you are spying on them? You have to be able to intercept a potential enemy’s boat (the equivalent of giving them a traffic ticket) rather than just sinking their boat with very long range weapons?

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By: tompf http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/04/30/the-pentagon-is-buying-the-wrong-ship-and-its-costing-taxpayers-billions/#comment-1029739 Thu, 30 Apr 2015 21:43:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=39972#comment-1029739 One of the MAJOR reasons the PC’s were rejected by the Navy was the absolutely PUNISHING ride in open ocean because of, among other things, the shallow draft. Having ridden one myself, I can tell you that the most seasoned crew members and riders were GULPING tablets of Meclizine and suffered such mind-numbing pounding once we cleared the sea wall (in only about Sea State 3)that we had to turn back and disembark the team of engineering evaluators. I’m glad they found a new mission in the Gulf guarding things in shallow water, but to jump to a conclusion that the Navy should build more PC’s at the expense of other ships would be foolhardy. In shallow water and light seas they might make a whole lot of sense, but in blue water, on open-ocean missions such as interdictions and ASW, a PC is WOEFULLY inadequate.

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