Comments on: In the battle between Ukraine and Russian separatists, shady private armies take the field http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1039776 Sun, 10 May 2015 01:31:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1039776 Observer48 you would support oligarchs (basically using Nazi tactics)? An label Russian speaking Ukrainians some that have been there for centuries as terrorists? Yet condone the shelling of Eastern cities? Amazing!
As far as untrained, undisciplined, and unable to organize, could you explain how NATO, coalition forces have set Iraq on a stable path? Or how much, much better Afghanistan is? Trillions, and thousands of lives lost? Those in ISIL won’t stand a chance and should have folded up with your type of logic. Even our shining success in Yemen must be dazzling too!

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By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1039771 Sat, 09 May 2015 20:10:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1039771 How can one forget!
In Germany, in November 1941 the Ukrainian personnel of the Legion was reorganized into the 201st Schutzmannschaft Battalion. It numbered 650 persons which served for one year at Belarus before disbanding.

Many of its members, especially the commanding officers, went on to the Ukrainian Insurgent Army and 14 of its members joined SS-Freiwilligen-Schützen-Division «Galizien» in spring 1943.

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By: americangrizzly http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1039768 Sat, 09 May 2015 19:37:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1039768 Ukrainian NAZI’s.

The number of administrators and guards at Treblinka was very small in relation to the number of people they murdered. The camp commandant, his deputy and approximately 30 SS officers (from the German T4 Euthanasia programme) were supported by up to 120 Ukrainian soldiers, who worked as camp guards.
Asbildungslager Trawniki and carried service almost in all KL in East. Sometimes they called trawnik-manner or Wachmannschaft. Always they wore old Allgemeine SS black uniform with light blue facings.

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By: BraveNewWrld http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1038141 Thu, 07 May 2015 13:01:29 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1038141 How can we support fighters wearing the signs deployed by Nazis? I thought that usage of Nazi symbols is outlawed in the Ukraine… Here is what I found on wikipedia on the wolfsangel.

Wolfsangel was an initial symbol of the Nazi Party.[4] In World War II the sign and its elements were used by various Nazi German storm divisions such as the Waffen-SS Division Das Reich and the Waffen-SS Division Landstorm Nederland.

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By: miamiseal http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1037844 Thu, 07 May 2015 06:30:04 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1037844 The major points of the article are wrong:
1. NATO, USA, OSCE confirmed many times on a daily bases that the ceasefire agreement violated many times by Russian forces (they are not separatists)
2. We don’t have “private armies” on the front line, recruiting battalions report to the government.
So, the bigest problem is shelling of Ukrainian troops by Russian heavy artillery and MRL

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By: gentalman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1037646 Thu, 07 May 2015 01:07:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1037646 There is no alternative for Poroshenko other than to have neutral policy of his country to take care of the business interests of both EU and Russia and there by to solve the problem of Russian backed rebels.If that happens this new problem of private army will automatically go.He has also to find out who is supporting this private army and how they get arms and from where.Rich oligarchs can not create such force only on the strength of money.No.This new private army seems to be a conspiracy.may be of Ukraine’s own or of some super powers.In any case troubles of Ukraine are multiplying for no fault of people of Ukraine at large.

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By: jacobsch http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1037222 Wed, 06 May 2015 09:46:21 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1037222 The Battalions consists of very motivated troops , and they are not burdened by a command structure full of Russian agents and traitors. But they are organized as police forces. This meant that they did not get any heavy weapons when they could have made the huge difference. Also , To have more than 1 command structure is not good. Organization will be improved and they get better weapons – but too late and too little. Now they fight regular Russian professional troops and they are still behind. The Battalions are fighting for Ukraine , and they do this much better than the regular army. The task is to make a command that these battalions can accept and trust. It is also a good idea to let the battalions send some of their troops to special training with the foreign instructors from USA , Canada , GB – ect This is probably happening now.

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By: tal-elmar http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1037220 Wed, 06 May 2015 07:45:00 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1037220 “The Azov battalion, partially funded by Taruta and Kolomoisky, uses the Nazi Wolfsangel symbol as its logo, and many of its members openly espouse neo-Nazi, anti-Semitic views.”
How much did Kremlin paid you for this? Google Wolfsangel and ідея нації and see the difference.
Moronic journalism…this ‘article’ is so full of bias and garbage

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By: observer48 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1037219 Wed, 06 May 2015 06:04:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1037219 The best way to keep Ukraine in one piece and Russia at bay is to gradually incorporate these battalions into government forces.

Since the Ukrainian army is still demoralised and studded with Russian agents, moles and spies, assigning them as territorial defence units to the Ministry of Internal Affairs, that is virtually free from any Russian influence, seems to be the best choice.

It’s not by chance that the US 173 Airborne trainers train these volunteers, because they’re the best and the most reliable Ukrainian soldiers who can be entrusted modern US precision weapons and advanced electronic combat equipment. The oligarchs will eventually comply, as under Russian occupation they may lose everything.

The terrorists, on the other hand, are totally unable to even introduce basic military discipline into their ranks, let alone govern the occupied territories.

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By: puttypants http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/05/05/in-the-battle-between-ukraine-and-russian-separatists-shady-private-armies-take-the-field/#comment-1037213 Tue, 05 May 2015 23:59:38 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40166#comment-1037213 First, where’s the proof these volunteer’s are hurting civilians? Was Amensty International on site?? I don’t think the seperatists would let them in. Additionally, Putin propaganda has found a way to accuse these armies for all kinds of things they did not do. Maybe they gave the seperatists what the seperatists gave them? This author like so many others are turning against Ukraine. Putin must be paying them more?

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