Comments on: Irish plunge stake through Catholic Church’s heart http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: WalterM http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1070855 Sat, 27 Jun 2015 05:53:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1070855 On June 26, 2015, gay marriage became legal in all 50 states of the USA. This was not done by public referendum, but was decided by the highest court of the land.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Status_of_s ame-sex_marriage

@PatMorris: “Who cares about the West’s grotesque mass murderers?” “Who cares about U.S. cluster bombs falling on Yemen?”

Thanks for your post, PatMorris. I know the moral outrage behind such questions. The legalization of gay marriage should not drive a wooden stake through the strong heart of a good man.

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By: WalterM http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1067079 Mon, 22 Jun 2015 21:16:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1067079 Earlier Irish law may have been a little like a mild Catholic version of Sharia law is this way: An older Catholic Church was accepted as the moral conscience of Ireland. That acceptance was then challenged, esp. in the 1990’s. Ireland rejected its earlier legal and constitutional bans on divorce (1995 referendum), contraception (1978-1993), homosexuality (1993), and on distributing information about abortion services offered in the UK (1992 referendum).

The 2015 referendum on marriage-equality is not isolated from this earlier string of reforms. That older Ireland (understandable, in its time) was unwilling to separate infallible Catholic doctrine on sexual morality from its Constitution and its jurisprudence. The Irish are changing their mind about some of that.

@kiwiinamerica: “The Islamic State is coming…”

After the 2015 Charlie Hebdo shooting in Paris, Ali Selim of the Islamic Cultural Centre of Ireland suggested that the blasphemy provision of Irish law should be applied to any Irish media outlet reproducing Muhammad cartoons as part of the “Je suis Charlie” campaign.

Referendums may next be offered to change the Irish law that forbids blasphemy and abortion.

@ thdg: “let the voters decide that without religious interference.”

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By: cmas1998 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1065999 Sun, 21 Jun 2015 02:21:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1065999 Seems like unnatural sexual practices is now the best game in Town. So many celebs stating that they are really bent in more ways than one. If you are a straight, seems you are one of the new persona non grata!

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By: thdg http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1060649 Fri, 12 Jun 2015 20:30:41 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1060649 It is possible to accept that people must follow their own path through life without approving every variation. Organized religions should refrain from lobbying for legislation to bring the coercive power of the state against practices that are regarded as immoral – let the voters decide that without religious interference.

On the other hand there is an innate contradiction between saying you believe in a religion system and openly following a lifestyle that blatantly contradicts that religious system. Either refrain from the practices while working to change the religious system or consider another belief system that is at least neutral to your lifestyle. The Catholic Church forbids a lot of things (including abortion, family planning, homosexuality, child abuse, sexuality of priests,…). if you want to practice those things then consider another church – this should apply to bishops as well as to the rest of the flock.

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By: EmmettBrown http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1057591 Tue, 09 Jun 2015 00:58:26 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1057591 rjt1: “62% of those who voted supported the change. That’s not 62% of the total population. I have seen a figure of 37% quoted for that.”

Using YOUR math, the NO vote was a mere 23%. In fact, Ireland passed the referendum by 1,201,607 votes to 734,300 with the turnout at 60.5% of eligible voters.

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By: Solidar http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1057577 Mon, 08 Jun 2015 20:01:10 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1057577 I’ve been to Irish weddings. They’re all pretty gay.

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By: rjt1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1056326 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 10:08:09 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1056326 In the UK we are now seeing widespread exposure of child abuse in state care – and not a priest in sight, but the Catholic Church was the first to take the rap and appears to have a monopoly on the problem according to its critics.

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By: rjt1 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1056318 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 10:03:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1056318 62% of those who voted supported the change
That’s not 62% of the total population. I have seen a figure of 37% quoted for that.

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By: kevinhoqie http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1056201 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 07:01:24 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1056201 Well said @forzapista!

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By: kiwiinamerica http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/04/irish-plunge-stake-through-catholic-churchs-heart/#comment-1055833 Sat, 06 Jun 2015 01:56:53 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=40935#comment-1055833 Hold the self-congratulatory “high fives”, John. Islam awaits the neopagans of Britain and Ireland. The Islamic state is coming like a freight train.

Try driving a “stake through the heart” of that, tough guy.

You’ll see a form of “religion” which will make you weep for the lost Christianity.

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