Comments on: How Vladimir Putin learned to stop worrying and love the bomb http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: gentalman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1069663 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:44:37 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1069663 The same issue is being discussed in the context of Pakistan v/s India.Both sides current leaders feel strongly that N.attack is self destroying.Both will perish.This concept now has become universal.No one like to use N.weapon unless attacked nuclearly. The same is the case between Iran and Israel.The talk of N.weapons is just to create fear or to warn.Nothing else.

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By: gentalman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1069662 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:25:45 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1069662 To defend annexation,I doubt(If I am not wrong) Putin at that time ever spoke of Nuclear defense! He started speaking about N.weapons only when NATO started speaking to station emergency army on his border not any other time.This statement of the writer need to be checked.

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By: gentalman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1069661 Fri, 26 Jun 2015 01:10:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1069661 If Obama wanted to to reset relations why he supported rebels of Ukraine during revolt to remove earlier president?Actually he hard pressed Putin to speak of N.weapons when he Obama talked about NATO around Russia.

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By: Neurochuck http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1068775 Thu, 25 Jun 2015 00:42:11 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1068775 @Calfri I am a recently retired IT team leader/programmer contractor, and have never worked on government or military projects which required a security clearance, but have been “checked out” for work with telcos and banks etc, and although an Australian, the USA has issued me with multiple entry visas, and I have spent a fair bit of time in the US working or holiday travelling. So not leaking “privileged information”, but have time for reading etc.
For my previous comment, I used my memory of what at the time seemed a dangerous crisis. But as well as sources in the “American narrative” such as CNN, NYT, Reuters, BBC I do read other public Internet English reporting/viewpoints such as Hurriyet, Zaman (Turkey), Al Jazeera (Qatar), Al Arabiya (Saudi), Jerusalem Post (Israel), Times of India, Hindustan Times (India).

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By: Calfri http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1068371 Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:26:47 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1068371 @Tigranes_Great

Abe Lincoln was responsible for killing a lot of people by starting the Civil War, in which hundreds of thousands of people died. Andrew Johnson didn’t start a war. Does this mean he was a better president than Abe Lincoln?

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By: Calfri http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1068369 Wed, 24 Jun 2015 16:07:59 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1068369 @Neurochuck, just curious, where are you getting your information?

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By: jtmhoya http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1068363 Wed, 24 Jun 2015 15:09:56 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1068363 @sarkozyrocks “We are the aggressor…and perhaps the world’s most dangerous country” Are you talking about France? Or did you just forget to change your screen name? Or maybe you’re just an honest American and have a thing for for former French presidents. Better be careful about these kinds of mistakes or the Kremlin won’t give you your paycheck.

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By: sarkozyrocks http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1067997 Tue, 23 Jun 2015 23:20:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1067997 @Tigranes_Great provides the data. Who can refute this with intellectual honesty?

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By: sarkozyrocks http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1067996 Tue, 23 Jun 2015 23:17:14 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1067996 @St.Juste’s comment should be read by all. We are the aggressor…and perhaps the world’s most dangerous country. What intellectually honest person would deny this? Name one other country that is more likely to engage in warfare against another country via traditional or economic weaponry than the US.

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By: Tigranes_Great http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/06/22/how-vladimir-putin-learned-to-stop-worrying-and-love-the-bomb/#comment-1067505 Tue, 23 Jun 2015 12:30:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41382#comment-1067505 The only way to be completely objective as to whether NATO and its allies or Putin’s Russia acts aggressively on the International stage is to disregard all qualitative information and look at the statistics of recent conflicts.
American conflicts

1. a. 2003 invasion of Iraq:
Documented civilian deaths from violence 140,147-158,767;
Total violent deaths including combatants 216,000
b. Syrian conflict (a result of the Iraq intervantion)
The death toll after nearly four years of civil war in Syria has risen to 210,060, nearly half of them civilians

2. Afghanistan war
50,000 recorded deaths

3. Pakistan 2004–2015 CIA Drone Strikes
Total killed: 2,467-3,976
Civilians killed: 423-965
Children killed: 172-207
Injured: 1,152-1,731

4.Yemen 2002–2015 US Covert Action
Total killed: 456-676
Civilians killed: 65-97
Children killed: 8-9
Injured: 88-217

Possible extra drone strikes
Total killed: 320-472
Civilians killed: 26-61
Children killed: 6-9
Injured: 78-105

Other covert operations
Total killed: 156-365
Civilians killed: 68-99
Children killed: 26-28
Injured: 15-102

Somalia 2007–2015 US Covert Action:
Total killed: 23-105
Civilians killed: 0-5
Children killed: 0
Injured: 2-7

Other covert operations: 8-11
Total killed: 40-141
Civilians killed: 7-47
Children killed: 0-2
Injured: 11-21

Afghanistan:
Total killed: 112-154
Civilians killed: 14-39
Children killed: 0-18
Injured: 1

Possible extra strikes:
Total killed: 149-198
Civilians killed: 0-3
Children killed: 0-2
Injured: 9

Libyan intervention: ( high cost in lives of bringing down Moammar Gadhafi)
Estimated 30,000 Died In War; 4,000 Still Missing 50,000 wounded

Putin’s Russia conflicts
1. Georgia
1,500 and 2,000 non-combatants killed

2. Ukraine
Conflict death toll 6,000

3. Casualties of the Second Chechen War (note some of these deaths occurred pre-Putin era)
11,000 servicemen have been killed. civilian death toll at 150,000

The greatest human rights violation is death. Everyone should have a right to life. If death by violence is an indicator of a countries aggressiveness on the world stage, NATO and its allies win this contest. Putins Russia barely made the 200,000. while NATO was at approximately 600,000. Furthermore, many of the Russia’s 200,000 were prior to the rise of Putin (war started in 1994 – Putin came to power in 1999). Look and verify the numbers and judge for yourselves.

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