Comments on: Want to escalate U.S.-Russia tension? Arm Ukraine. http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: musicmouse http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1076961 Sat, 04 Jul 2015 14:02:50 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1076961 Putin’s demands in Ukraine are rather moderate:
– a honorable peace for the rebels
– no NATO membership for Ukraine

During the Cold War this would have been a no-brainer for Washington. Unfortunately nowadays the neocon chicken hawks are in charge and Obama is afraid that he would be blamed for such a sensible compromise.

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By: Ammon http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1076657 Sat, 04 Jul 2015 08:16:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1076657 I’d like to hearfrom this forum regarding two questions. #1 How far west has Russia progressed since the collapse of the USSR? #2 How far east has NATO, the EU, and US influence progressed in this same time? Answering those two questions myself I don’t see Russia as some imperialistic juggernaught.

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By: AYeshuratnam http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075897 Fri, 03 Jul 2015 02:56:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075897 Ukraine bogey is raised by Obama to divert the attention of the world from the expansion of ISIS caliphate. Putin has repeatedly assured that Moscow has no plan to attack any country. The Kurds do not have enough arms and tanks but still fighting with a makeshift armory. Millions of pounds-worth of weapons have been bought by a number of European countries to arm the Kurds, but American commanders, who are overseeing all military operations against Isil, are blocking the arms transfers, as instructed by Obama. One of the core complaints of the Kurds is that the Iraqi army has abandoned so many weapons in the face of Isil attack, the Peshmerga are fighting modern American weaponry with out-of-date Soviet equipment. Iraqi security forces lost 2,300 Humvee armored vehicles when Islamic State overran the northern city of Mosul in June 2014, Prime Minister Haider al-Abadi said on Sunday in an interview with Iraqiya state television. Coupled with previous losses of American weapons, the conclusion is simple: The United States is effectively supplying Islamic State with tools of war the militant group cannot otherwise hope to acquire from its patrons. In addition to the Humvees, Iraqi forces previously abandoned significant types and numbers of heavy weapons to Islamic State. For example, losses to Islamic State include at least 40 M1A1 main battle tanks, as well as small arms and ammunition, including 74,000 machine guns, and as many as 52 M198 howitzer mobile gun systems. It is with this intention he did not order boots on the ground at the initial stage when ISIS was merely a ragtag rampaging terrorists without any country of their own. Now they own vast swathes of Syria, Iraq, Liby and Tunisia. The Telegraph correspondent reported that the Obama administration is blocking attempts by its Middle East allies to fly heavy weapons directly to the Kurds fighting Islamic State jihadists in Iraq, Some of America’s closest allies say Obama and other Western leaders, including Cameron, are failing to show strategic leadership over the world’s gravest security crisis for decades.

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By: gentalman http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075851 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 22:04:27 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075851 What is at stake for US!Ukraine is far away.EU see differently!
Putin main concern is his people and security.Russia and Ukraine lived happily for decade and there was no problem.Putin has been deffensive all through out but at the same time he can not bow down come what may.
Obama is not the man to succumb to pressure.He studies himself every thing and in time of crisis he take his own decision.I hope everything will come out smooth depending on the position of US.
Look at how Putin has co.operated regarding WMD of Assad and with Iran regarding nuclear agreement.The situation become so explosive even a small aggressive act of US could result into a big war.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075633 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 17:03:57 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075633 You posted an article above that accentuates Russia and debt level. You can go back to Germany in the 1930’s and find famine and an empowered Hitler. I have no doubt in my mind Putin is using this as a reference for the end goal. Hitler told his troops about mansions and greatness if the goal is reached. I think we are revisiting history because we know history repeats.

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By: Anonymous http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075621 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 16:54:23 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075621 Russia is coming West whether the US supplies Ukraine or not.
The question is how far West is the breaking point? If you supply weapons to Ukraine you must have a detailed strategy to account for these weapons.
Sitting back is an option but at what cost? If you’ve arrived at the conclusion of relinquishing territory and that is satisfactory in your eyes be prepared for a massive takeover. If not, you must act accordingly. The only difference in Putin in 2015 and Hitler in the 30’s is announced persecution of a certain people. The war strategy is no different and the ultimate goal is the same.

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By: evilhippo http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075534 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 14:10:06 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075534 That is another way of saying “to avoid annoying Russia, just roll over and let them do what they want”.

Yeah what could possibly go wrong with that?

Will the ghost of Prime Minister Chamberlain please call his office.

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By: Cassiopian http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075531 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 12:59:19 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075531 The point is well taken that Russia has escalation dominance in Ukraine as well as a greater security stake in Ukraine. In addition, a majority of publics in NATO countries do not support sending arms to Ukraine. And astoundingly, the Pew polls also found that a majority of Germans, French, and Italians do not support NATO using force to defend allies! I hope that they understand the implication of that position for their own security as well as the credibility of the Western alliance.
And yes, Putin can escalate “outside” of Ukraine but so can the United States. While not arming Ukraine, the U.S. can nevertheless tear up the 1997 Founding Act with Russia, where the U.S. agreed not to put new military bases in new NATO states and proceed to establish a formidable military deterrent in Poland and other front line states.

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By: Kyiv http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/07/02/want-to-escalate-u-s-russia-tension-arm-ukraine/#comment-1075390 Thu, 02 Jul 2015 08:59:31 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=41710#comment-1075390 My dear Mr. Cohen, how much are you paid by Putin? Don’t you understand that in combatting Putin’s hordes Ukrainians are defending the American values as well? Or you try to convince the reader that NATO is to be disintegrated, and the US should sleep safely and wait till Russian missiles and “green men” are stationed at the shores of NY or California? Do you want the US to lose its leading position of a stronghold of democracy in the world and thus to neglect its vital interests of the National Security? Have you forgotten the lessons of Pearl Harbor? Are you so naive or a prepaid “analyst”?

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