Comments on: One phrase from Saudi clerics could begin the end of Islamic State http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/ Thu, 21 Jul 2016 07:57:19 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=4.2.5 By: Bookfan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1124962 Tue, 22 Dec 2015 00:46:54 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1124962 Where the heck do I get a transcript of this?

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By: Solidar http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119785 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 20:32:32 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119785 Daesh is apostasy. I saw two Daesh fighters in Iraq, buggering on a Koran, and using a blow-up doll of Mohammed for their pleasure. Why do they do these things? It is disrespectful to real Muslims.

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By: mmazzi http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119511 Mon, 23 Nov 2015 00:31:13 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119511 Welcome surprise. Now, let’s see what happens.

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By: zac48 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119488 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 22:51:22 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119488 To claim that ISIS is not Islamic is patently nonsense. The Koran is their daily handbook. They continually quote the Koran (not some unheard of, new interpretation they have invented for their own purpose) in justification and explanation of their motives. Whether or not this truth is palatable for some is irrelevant…….Where is the phrase by Islamic clerics denouncing ISIS???

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By: chaim01 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119437 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 19:09:16 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119437 Sir, are you serious. Do you really think that if you declare ISIS as an apostasy that any Islamic person will really listen. I live in Israel and I assure you that no Moslem who lives anywhere in this region will ever accept any declaration from any Rabbi concerning principles of the Islamic faith.

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By: dbh38 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119427 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 18:00:01 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119427 Wow! what a propaganda machine. It can render the sensible senseless!

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By: William_Wallace http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119389 Sun, 22 Nov 2015 10:46:42 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119389 The video is long (45 min). Around min 24+ you get the problem description, and around min 40 the following run-down of the methods for defeating extremist Islam, from the mouth of one of their leaders.

Abu-??-al-Libi (couldn’t quite catch the name)

Theologian: Speaking on How to Break al-Qaeda/ISIS:
1. Call us apostates; heretics.
2. Call us out for our personal betrayals of Islam.
3. Call us out for our atrocities, especially against children.
4. Get Islamic political groups to oppose us; we fear them.
5. Find those who have left us and denounce us and repeat their arguments.
6. Ruin our link with Islam: Paint us as un-Islamic; we will be crushed in the shadows.

Summary: Make ISIS apostates.

Also mentioned: Use general weakness of insurgencies against them: loss of population support.

So, idea is to go after ISIS with international Muslim institutional and religious denunciation.

Not bad. But! This encourages Islam to retain the same attitude of the right to kill for purity. Better if Islam renounces violent jihad as un-Islamic: respect for freedom of conscience. If you take out one absolutist narrative and put in another, you use the problem as the solution.

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By: Bookfan http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119378 Sat, 21 Nov 2015 16:54:18 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119378 The argument that the US pulling out of Iraq caused this is nonsense. What is real is that when “people on our side” jump to the other side the minute we stop the flow of cash and pressure, they were never on our side!

So the reality is we should never have been in there wasting our money and soldier’s lives, because there are no allies to be had, nothing to free. Perception is not reality, the underlying facts say that Americans cannot control Islamic men.

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By: mediamaniac http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119377 Sat, 21 Nov 2015 16:40:20 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119377 Let’s cross check opinionwith facts, shall we?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/no v/20/saudi-court-sentences-poet-to-death -for-renouncing-islam

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By: aeci http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/2015/11/19/one-phrase-from-saudi-clerics-could-begin-the-end-of-islamic-state/#comment-1119372 Sat, 21 Nov 2015 14:42:46 +0000 http://blogs.reuters.com/great-debate/?p=44954#comment-1119372 A ton of information. Spot on. Good job.

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